Stan Duppcomic Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) From a neutrals perspective, I felt short changed. I believe the rule in the book is that after Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting. If this is the case why was it called off if Belle Vie wanted it to carry on? Apologies if this has been covered. I am just a little confused! Edited May 27, 2014 by Stan Duppcomic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) During heat 12 Tatum's comments were that the track was no worse than it has been earlier. Evenif we forget what people were saying the evidence was there for all to see, the track was raceable and the match should not have been postponed. Â Swindon supporters have been critical of Eastbourne for racing under strength teams. At least supporters knew what they were getting and could decide whether to attend. In this instance, whether it was their decision to make or not, Swindon did all they could to influence the decision that was made and deny those at the track and the viewing audience, the most important 20% of the meeting. I hope the 3 points prove to be worth it. Â It damages Swindon and the sport. Edited May 27, 2014 by Aces51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Have to say the decision to stop racing last night was a terrible decision.Again the paying public are taken for a ride, do the promoters just presume they will keep turning up.?The points should not come into at all,was it raceable it looked it to me and last night we did see some entertaining racing at times.The sport at times really shows how good it can be, why can't we all work together for the good of the sport.Also we know it is sport and competition but we should never forget it is supposed to be a ENTERTAINMENT the paying public should come first at all times.Incidents like last night really does damage the sport,it always seems to me that peoples own interests come before what is right for the supporter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 The track was producing some good racing, and with Zagar out in two of the last three races, Belle Vue had every chance to get a point. As Rob points out, the track for Belle Vue v Poole last year was far worse, yet it carried on as the result was considered important. Where is the consistency in decision making? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) One question. Would Rosco have been so vocal about calling it off if the scores were the other way round? I don't think so somehow. He has already has been when Swindon were beating Brum the other week .I Thought the match should have got on last night but winning or losing this year each time Rosco has acted in the same manner . Edited May 27, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 The weather when we rode against Birmingham, made it impossible to continue safely. Last night, it could have continued.( as you said) My point still remains the same, and there is no way that Rosco would have argued that the match should be stopped, if we had been 9 points behind last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 The weather when we rode against Birmingham, made it impossible to continue safely. Last night, it could have continued.( as you said) My point still remains the same, and there is no way that Rosco would have argued that the match should be stopped, if we had been 9 points behind last night. By all accounts off camera 5 of the Belle Vue team did not want to carry on as well . As I said 3 times this has happened this this year and each time Rosco has acted in the same manner so until that changes it's unfair to say or guess he would act in another manner . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 When one team has secured max points and is trying to get it postponed, and the other obviously wants to carry on, then why not give the ref a simple rule that he can go by. If the track has been "raceable" all evening, then one team says It's only "rideable", then surely the times will tell the ref the truth. At Foxhall last Thursday Ht 12 was 6 seconds slower than Ht 1, that tells me the track was only rideable by then, and it was rightly called off, I cant find the times for last night, but Ht 11 looked an excellent "race" to me.They were Definately "racing" in Heat 11,except the GP star.,interesting when we get a wet GP will he complain,if the track at a GP was like last night he would be a laughing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) I find it strange that Troy gets stick & gets called a "GP Star" by some because of their dislike from when he was younger. Â The facts are at least he's improving in them when certain other riders are simply making up the no's. Â Yes as a speedway fan last night was ANOTHER nail in the coffin but it was down to others to make the decision who are paid to do it. Â Teams winning will want it postponed & teams losing will want to carry on. Â I just hope once & for all this is the last time it happens but won't be holding my breath. Edited May 27, 2014 by Crazy robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Oh for when shed loads of sawdust was put down on went the overalls and the meeting was raced to its conclusion Seriously though more and more people will keep their money in their pockets when theres the chance of rain, I myself travelled to all away meetings for years but now considering the costs involved fuel, entrance, food, drink etc don't take the risk, its a difficult one as we want to see racing not riders struggling to control a bike, and then theres the rider safety aspect, but decsisions do appear somewhat inconsistent these days BV v Poole last season for example. Then the powers that be wonder why the support is draining away. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowasthatberntpersson Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Well the people standing near me last night were adamant the meeting would be called after heat ten. We were absolutely drenched and it was getting quite heavy towards heat ten. The fact that they initially carried on indicates the track wasn't as bad as most of us thought (or should I say visibility). However the race times indicate differently. There obviously was some kind of a problem. Scott Nicholls wasn't at all bothered by the call off and he was riding better than anyone. Cookie on the other hand was struggling big time yet wanted it to carry on...go figure. There was never going to be a universally popular decision here. The track help up very well considering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno4 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Maybe the two GP stars didn't want to risk an injury before Saturday ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 You will always get inconsistent desicions made when The Aces are involved and low and be hold they won't go our way. Quite often taking the chance to get one over us has greater repercussions for the opposing teams future business and the sport as whole but there you go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I find it strange that Troy gets stick & gets called a "GP Star" by some because of their dislike from when he was younger. Â The facts are at least he's improving in them when certain other riders are simply making up the no's. Â Â Â Don`t rate Troy but he has done better than i expected in the GP`s. However he is still very much making up the numbers with little chance of a top 8 finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 The only person responsible for last nights call off was the meeting coordinator Ronnie Allen. It was in his power to continue with the meeting but he bottled it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Â Don`t rate Troy but he has done better than i expected in the GP`s. However he is still very much making up the numbers with little chance of a top 8 finish. he was very much making up the numbers in heat 11.... even before his retirement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Â If these 'armchair keyboard moaners' watched this meeting on a paid-for Sky subscription, they are very much part of the paying public. Â I, for one, felt more than a little short changed tonight. As you pay your subscription to SKY, then it is SKY you should be addressing your complaints to. Far to much interference on here from Bees supporters as per usual, It is offensive to the Robins management!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Maybe the two GP stars didn't want to risk an injury before Saturday ?  You are having a go at riders because they didn’t want to risk an injury? This place is a nut house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 They were Definately "racing" in Heat 11,except the GP star.,interesting when we get a wet GP will he complain,if the track at a GP was like last night he would be a laughing stock. i notice you're not saying the same about Zagar, who was just in front of him all race.... but don't let that get in the way of a whinge and a whine... didn't see MZ get involved with the 'scrap' in front of him.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldswindonsupporter Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Oh for when shed loads of sawdust was put down on went the overalls and the meeting was raced to its conclusion Seriously though more and more people will keep their money in their pockets when theres the chance of rain, I myself travelled to all away meetings for years but now considering the costs involved fuel, entrance, food, drink etc don't take the risk, its a difficult one as we want to see racing not riders struggling to control a bike, and then theres the rider safety aspect, but decsisions do appear somewhat inconsistent these days BV v Poole last season for example. Then the powers that be wonder why the support is draining away. Â Two reasons why we stayed at home: Â 1) Weather forecast which didn't quite pan out as expected 2) It was on TV meaning that if it was rain affected, no money needed to be spent / wasted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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