Swindon V Belle Vue 26/5/14

[Gresham78]

Why are people going on about the track? It wasn't abandoned because of the track.

 

It was strange to carry on after heat 10, then call it off 2 races later, but I don't see why Swindon seem to be getting so much blame.

 

Matej Zagar and Scott Nicholls both seemed far from happy with conditions and Kelvin Tatum never shut up about xalling it off all evening.

 

In the end it was the decision of the stewward, who could easily have told them to get on with it.

Grachan you are the sole voice of reason on this thread!

 

As you say the meeting was abandoned because of poor visibility not track conditions. Having ridden a motorcycle myself rain/mist can have a significant impact on visibility and that's just riding on the road let alone on a bike doing 60mph with no brakes on a 360 metre oval track in poor light.

I know some people feel cheated they only saw 12 heats instead of 15 and for any Belle Vue fans who made the trip it must have been particularly frustrating but surely rider safety is paramount? The sport is dangerous enough in good conditions let alone throwing in an additional hazard.

 

For those who seem to think Rosco and Batchelor got it called off the official announcement was along the lines of " the referee has abandoned the meeting with the agreement of the two captains in the interest of rider safety owing to the deteriorating conditions"

If Swindon have tried to influence the referee's decision then surely Belle Vue have grounds for appeal?

 

Given the conditions I think both teams served up some pretty good racing and thankfully everybody went home in one piece.

[Aces51]

Not at all as has already been said it was quite clear that the majority of the riders on both sides did not want to ride and Ronnie Allen agree with that .

Wasn't it you who said it.

 

You claimed 5 Belle Vue riders didn't want to continue, who told you that? Nicholls said on fb that it should have continued, Cook wanted to carry on, can't imagine Palm- Toft wanted it off after his heat 11 ride, Zagar said he had ridden in worse conditions so that leaves Worrall an ex moto cross rider and the two draft riders and only one of them had another ride to come.

 

I understand your loyalty to Rosco and that you feel the need to try to defend him but sometimes you have to see the bigger picture.

[van wolfswinkel]

Anyway two wins out of two over the Aces...move on peeps.

[orion]

Wasn't it you who said it.

 

You claimed 5 Belle Vue riders didn't want to continue, who told you that? Nicholls said on fb that it should have continued, Cook wanted to carry on, can't imagine Palm- Toft wanted it off after his heat 11 ride, Zagar said he had ridden in worse conditions so that leaves Worrall an ex moto cross rider and the two draft riders and only one of them had another ride to come.

 

I understand your loyalty to Rosco and that you feel the need to try to defend him but sometimes you have to see the bigger picture.

What people said before and what they said after are two different things but at the time of the call off the majority or riders that is more than seven were happy for the meeting to be called off .No doubt you missed the faces Nicholls was pulling when your tm said the match should carry on ?

 

Besides all that it is Ronnie Allen who makes the final Call not Rosco . Bit shocked how Simon g rode after you said he would fall to Bit's after Rosco dressing down in public ...MOM the two matches since .

Edited May 27, 2014 by orion

[van wolfswinkel]

There was no way the meeting should have been called off, what are the riders playing at these days. A bit of rain on the track and they go and throw a wobbly. Speedway is in a bad enough way in this country as it is without having meetings called off when it starts to rain. The track conditions were not that bad and the racing was still competative. OK one or two riders slipped off but they where doing that from race one.

If the track had been like a ploughed field yes you can understand them calling off a meeting, but not when the track was still riderable.

Are the riders wrapping themselves up in cottenwool. It was a total disgrace. We seem to be losing far to many races, so what is the problem these days is it that the drainage at the tracks is poor, the tracks are packed to hard, so the water forms small lakes on the track. Not sure what 6shale they use now or where it comes from, but I am sure that in days of yore when they used shale from the coal fired power stations the shale was of better quility than the stuff they are using these days.

As people have said it was not the track but poor visibility. The shale is the finest quality known from South Cerney shale pits up the road from The Abbey, and has been in use since 1949. It is the best money can buy.

 

Great Gusto performance silencing the critics.

 

What size crowd last night?

Edited May 27, 2014 by lamborough downsman

[Rob B]

As people have said it was not the track but poor visibility. The shale is the finest quality known from South Cerney shale pits up the road from The Abbey, and has been in use since 1949. It is the best money can buy.

 

Great Gusto performance silencing the critics.

 

What size crowd last night?

It rained from heat 1 so if visibility was the problem why did the meeting start, when Zagar was interviewed complaining about visibility that was heat 6, why did it get past that point and at heat 10 when it was agreed to continue it didn't get any worst 2 heat later.

 

Poor crowd, about 600?

[Grachan]

It rained from heat 1 so if visibility was the problem why did the meeting start, when Zagar was interviewed complaining about visibility that was heat 6, why did it get past that point and at heat 10 when it was agreed to continue it didn't get any worst 2 heat later.Poor crowd, about 600?

Because they agreed to give it a go for another 2 heats after the heat 10 cut off point. Said so on the telly.

 

So Belle Vue were given a couple of races to get back to within 6. They failed.

 

The complaints on this thread are possibly the most ludicrous I,ve ever seen. It's ridiculous.

 

I suggest you all go out in your cars the next time it's raining and try driving without windscreen wipers.

[Aces51]

Bit shocked how Simon g rode after you said he would fall to Bit's after Rosco dressing down in public ...MOM the two matches since .

You would have more credibility if you stopped making things up. When did I ever say he would fall to bits. What I said is that a public dressing down is the wrong way to go about things. He might have improved his performance but who knows what he now thinks about Rosco.

 

One thing that is true is that whenever there is criticism of Rosco up you pop to defend him. Sometimes I agree with you but it is silly to defend him when he is clearly in the wrong. Just read this thread and see what the vast majority of people saw, heard and the conclusion they have reached.

Edited May 27, 2014 by Aces51

[orion]

You would have more credibility if you stopped making things up. When did I ever say he would fall to bits. What I said is that a public dressing down is the wrong way to go about things. He might have improved his performance but who knows what he now thinks about Rosco.

 

One thing that is true is that whenever there is criticism of Rosco up you pop to defend him. Sometimes I agree with you but it is silly to defend him when he is clearly in the wrong. Just read this thread and see what the vast majority of people saw, heard and the conclusion they have reached.

Not making stuff up at all ..you clearly said that Rosco outbust would destroy the little confidence Simon had ...as has been shown that has not been the case and what Rosco did look's like it has done the trick

 

Not sure why Rosco was wrong ? no matter what he is not the person who called that the match off it was Ronnie Allen . Reading the topic I not seen anyone who said that was not the case .

[Rob B]

Because they agreed to give it a go for another 2 heats after the heat 10 cut off point. Said so on the telly.

So Belle Vue were given a couple of races to get back to within 6. They failed.

The complaints on this thread are possibly the most ludicrous I,ve ever seen. It's ridiculous.

I suggest you all go out in your cars the next time it's raining and try driving without windscreen wipers.

So if it was that dangerous why did heat 1 start then, it's drizzled throughout the meeting.

[Grachan]

So if it was that dangerous why did heat 1 start then, it's drizzled throughout the meeting.

Because they gave it a good go, as one would hope they would.

 

I don't really get why everyone is so bothered about it. Personally I reckon you're all bonkers, and because the nature of people's complaints about everything on this forum have, shall we say, jumped the shark, no complaints on here will ever be taken seriously by anyone that matters.

 

Aren't you the guy who went on and on about some rain off in 2007? Ah, 2007. What a year that was.

Edited May 27, 2014 by grachan

[waiheke1]

Just imagine how many pages this thread would be if poole were the home team in these circumstances. ...

[Rob B]

Because they gave it a good go, as one would hope they would.

I don't really get why everyone is so bothered about it. Personally I reckon you're all bonkers, and because the nature of people's complaints about everything on this forum have, shall we say, jumped the shark, no complaints on here will ever be taken seriously by anyone that matters.

Aren't you the guy who went on and on about some rain off in 2007? Ah, 2007. What a year that was.

 

WTF 2007 got to do with anything?

Edited May 27, 2014 by Rob B

[Speedy swindon pete]

First chance I've had to say anything at length about the meeting.

 

To start, back to the Coventry match that a few have mentioned. Much like last night there was persistent, but not pouring rain that night that would not let up. The major beef I had that night was that the track and conditions had gone past the point of being raceable at about heat 7, and the heats after that were complete non events. If they thought heats 8,9 and 10 could have been run, how could the heats after 10 not been run, in the same, supposedly raceable conditions...the meeting was still up for grabs, whether swindon looked like they would have mounted a comeback or not was irrelevant. The fans were cheated out of getting any money from a restaging, and were instead treated to 3 or 4 heats of total bilge, rushed through just to tick a box so the whole shambles didn't have to be arranged again, as well as the remaining 5 heats that weren't run. Havelock going on about it on twitter like he masterminded winning the league title, as one of our young riders was being treated for life threatening after being hitched off by one of his team, was particularly galling,

 

Last night, for the record, at the track, I wanted to see the meeting run to heat 15, it was entertaining enough in places, and it would have been nice to have seen 15 heats of speedway that I had payed for for a change. However, even without knowing of the discussions that were going on in the pits after heats 10 or 12, I wasn't too surprised to see it brought to a halt.

 

Standing out the rain under the main stand, to me it looked as if the rain was getting slightly heavier at heat 11, in the puddles forming on the dog track covers. As I mentioned briefly last night, watching it back on TV, the cameras made the conditions look much brighter than it actually was. I can see why people watching at home would think it wasn't as bad as some were making out. I agree that racing heat 11 was fine, but when you see heat 12 run in a time of over 72 seconds, it does indicate that something about the conditions wasn't right.

 

Coming back and watching on the recording seeing Nicholls saying it wasn't ideal after 10 and his obvious doubts when it was called at 12 when interviewed, was probably the main insight into what most riders in the pits would have been thinking. Cook saying he wanted to continue...after 3 ducks...give me a break. Probably was happy to continue because he knew he would be replaced by wright in heat 13.

 

So plenty of justification for the meeting to be called to a halt, by the ref/meeting steward/gormless puppet from the BSPA or Sky, yet Rosco is being portrayed (seemingly by those not there) as some sort of antichrist who has managed to singlehandedly demolish British speedway. Pick of the bunch being the stick hes getting for saying that he thought the rain was getting slightly heavier in a lighthearted conversation with Charlie. The girl employed by the broadcaster that wants to keep the action going for its viewers, disagreed. Funny that. The girl who all too often can barely string a cohesive sentence together in the form of some sort of slightly enlightening question, has suddenly become a fully fledged meteorologist according to those all to keen to partake in a bit of rosco bashing.

 

Particularly funny that a lot of the bitter comments are coming from BV fans, whose club was involved in the single most damaging and insulting speedway match broadcast on Sky against Poole last year, as well as "water bowser-gate".

 

 

Good to see Gustaffsson riding well, although he did do well against Belle Vue the other month too...so I'll be keeping my party poppers in my pocket, just for the moment for a few more matches.

[Aces51]

Not making stuff up at all ..you clearly said that Rosco outbust would destroy the little confidence Simon had ...as has been shown that has not been the case and what Rosco did look's like it has done the trick

 

Not sure why Rosco was wrong ? no matter what he is not the person who called that the match off it was Ronnie Allen . Reading the topic I not seen anyone who said that was not the case .

No manager should criticise staff in front of others and certainly not in public because the risk is that it is humiliating and likely to destroy confidence and respect for the manager. It's a bit early after two good matches to claim anything has worked but regardless it is something you don't do if you have any respect for people.

A good manager will get the results without resorting to such tactics.

 

Of course it was Allen who made the decision. Rosco, to get the points was oblivious to or, unconcerned about short changing those there and those watching on TV when he put forward the argument that the match should be abandoned. This despite everyone being able to see that the track was raceable. Perhaps you don't think it was. In that case what happened after heat 12 to change things? Tatum didn't see that anything had changed

 

Attwood wanted the match to continue. Are you seriously telling us that Allen would have abandoned it if Rosco had said the same. In which case Rosco has to bear some responsibility for the decision. You can't feed the bullets and then hope to escape all responsibility.

[Grachan]

WTF 2007 got to do with anything?

 

Absolutely nothing. I just had a flashback moment that's all.

[racers and royals]

I shouldn`t think the rule is any different for TV matches but Ronnie Allen should have made his decision without any input from the home camp

15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track

inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting.

[Catalan]

If anyone who knows Ronnie will tell you, he would never be influenced by Rosco.

If anything he would go the opposite way!

[ouch]

Anyway two wins out of two over the Aces...move on peeps.

That's the main thing.

It's the way it is I'm afraid and shafting number four this year for The Aces, but it's only Belle Vue so nothing will be done.

Still another nail in the EL coffin so every cloud and that.

[BritPete]

If the visibility was so bad, then how did that Palm tree guy, and Nick Morris manage to give us one of the best races of the season? I would love to see them race each other when they could actually see properly!

Edited May 28, 2014 by BritPete