Swindon V Belle Vue 26/5/14

[Gloves]

My concern is the lack of a consistent process for deciding when it is or isn't safe to continue riding. This meeting and that Aces v Poole one last year seem to benefit one team then get stopped. It just needs a clear rule. As for swindon last night and poole last year playing it to there advantage. Come on let's not be naive all teams do that given half the chance.

[John Leslie]

I just hope KKS didn't get his purple chinos too wet (either from the rain or from internal excitement).

[Fromafar]

i notice you're not saying the same about Zagar, who was just in front of him all race.... but don't let that get in the way of a whinge and a whine... didn't see MZ get involved with the 'scrap' in front of him....

Count Zagar in if you want to.It was a whinge regarding GPstars.They are just taking the P*ss IMO .Speedway is in enough trouble attracting crowds without last nights carry-on.

[Sgt. Hartsock]

Spot on, they should have put everything into getting to the end of the meeting, i have stopped going and if others do after this it won't be long for another track closing.

[Adder]

The only way I can see around this is to bring in a rule whereby all meetings have to be re-run if they get abandoned whilst there is still the possibility of the result changing.

 

Can't imagine there would be much appetite for that amongst promotions though as it could incur them further financial losses.

Edited May 27, 2014 by Adder

[mikebv]

The only way I can see around this is to bring in a rule whereby all meetings have to be re-run if they get abandoned whilst there is still the possibility of the result changing.

 

Can't imagine there would be much appetite for that amongst promotions though as it could incur them further financial losses.

good call, more meetings bound to get concluded I would say....

 

maybe also, any total rain off gets one point each per team and doesnt get re run?? (similar to cricket rain offs) guarantee the home team would move mountains to get meetings on then and riders facing 'no money' and a reduced amount of meetings would I am sure become more open minded to less than perfect conditions, (as seemed to be the way in the not too distant past)...

 

no one advocates 'racing at all costs' risks being taken but if the sport wants to survive and maybe even prosper, then the fans who support it need to start having more confidence that their (often expensive) journey is actually worth the initial effort and financial outlay..

Edited May 27, 2014 by mikebv

[stratton]

I like you John you have helped me out on the betting thread many times in the past so please don't jump on the bandwagon

 

 

Also I offered to meet up and the trolls were all no shows surprisingly

We are not trolls, myself why would i want to meet you?

[speedwaysliders]

I would have loved sky to have broadcasted the conversation that led to the call off after heat 12.if they only had a microphone in there to find out what was actually said,as heat 11 was one of the best all night,why not just get on with it? why stop at all when they had just watched heat 11?,I like craig Cook but he was having a mare of an evening,being a captain when you are having an off night cant help the away sides case to carry on!!.Anyone know if Ronnie ALLan did a track walk or did he just look from one part of the track?Does the promoter have a say,as hes got do deal with any negative feedback on this?There are so many grey areas in this that you may as well make it up as they go along!!

[weatherwatcher]

There was no way the meeting should have been called off, what are the riders playing at these days. A bit of rain on the track and they go and throw a wobbly. Speedway is in a bad enough way in this country as it is without having meetings called off when it starts to rain. The track conditions were not that bad and the racing was still competative. OK one or two riders slipped off but they where doing that from race one.

If the track had been like a ploughed field yes you can understand them calling off a meeting, but not when the track was still riderable.

Are the riders wrapping themselves up in cottenwool. It was a total disgrace. We seem to be losing far to many races, so what is the problem these days is it that the drainage at the tracks is poor, the tracks are packed to hard, so the water forms small lakes on the track. Not sure what 6shale they use now or where it comes from, but I am sure that in days of yore when they used shale from the coal fired power stations the shale was of better quility than the stuff they are using these days.

[thecoombdog]

Trolling still I see? keep it going mush you will soon get fed up as it does not bother me because you just like thecoombdog have made yourselves look like bigger t1ts than Katie Price's

I thought we were all one big speedway family?! Im so hurt and offended by those comments. I feel as though ive lost one of my Robins brothers.

[Fromafar]

There was no way the meeting should have been called off, what are the riders playing at these days. A bit of rain on the track and they go and throw a wobbly. Speedway is in a bad enough way in this country as it is without having meetings called off when it starts to rain. The track conditions were not that bad and the racing was still competative. OK one or two riders slipped off but they where doing that from race one.

If the track had been like a ploughed field yes you can understand them calling off a meeting, but not when the track was still riderable.

Are the riders wrapping themselves up in cottenwool. It was a total disgrace. We seem to be losing far to many races, so what is the problem these days is it that the drainage at the tracks is poor, the tracks are packed to hard, so the water forms small lakes on the track. Not sure what 6shale they use now or where it comes from, but I am sure that in days of yore when they used shale from the coal fired power stations the shale was of better quility than the stuff they are using these days.

They have suddenly decided riding Moterbikes in the rain is dangerous.They should have watched Qualifying for World Superbikes from Donnington,difference is the Road Racers just got on with,knowing it is not going to be cancelled.the throttle works both ways is the saying.

[Nobblytriers]

I've seen meetings finished with the track in worst condition than the one last night and whilst rider safety is a must, it is a dangerous sport and I think that most accidents happen when the track is raced on under normal conditions rather than when it's wet. In a wet race, the riders tend to be more cautious, for obvious reasons, and slower, and therefore the risk of injury is less.

 

I thought NP had a good point when he suggested that heat 10 be used as a point to say either carry on to the end, or stop now. Personally, I think that the racing should continue until it's not practicle to race anymore, whatever the heat is, or if the majority of riders want it to be called off. Where there is a mathematical possibilty of a team that is behind being able to win the meeting, then the meeting should be re-run. If a team has conceded defeat then the result should stand.

Also, I thought there was a rule that the loosing team were the ones to make the choice of whether to continue riding or not. What happened to that rule last night?

[Grachan]

Why are people going on about the track? It wasn't abandoned because of the track.

 

It was strange to carry on after heat 10, then call it off 2 races later, but I don't see why Swindon seem to be getting so much blame.

 

Matej Zagar and Scott Nicholls both seemed far from happy with conditions and Kelvin Tatum never shut up about xalling it off all evening.

 

In the end it was the decision of the stewward, who could easily have told them to get on with it.

[Crazy robin]

he was very much making up the numbers in heat 11....

even before his retirement.

Gate 1 was a graveyard all night though.

 

Don`t rate Troy but he has done better than i expected in the GP`s.

However he is still very much making up the numbers with little chance of a top 8 finish.

Making more of a fist of it than others have in the past few seasons who've got through the GP challenge.

 

Agreed can't see him making the top 8 but he at least deserved his chance as has been pretty consistent all over the world in his league racing the last few seasons.

[New Science]

There's a team manager who is a bigger drama queen than him,and he's not the Acrs team manager.

Drama queen alert, Rossiter being interviewed....no sign of any Kleenex needed just yet!

I think Roscoe should run the sport.Its seems at every meeting he's involved in he wants to be team manager,referee,start marshal,meeting co-ordinator etc,etc. If you think last night was bad wait till the world cup.3 hours prime time Saturday night to go through his repertoire.

[stratton]

Trolling still I see? keep it going mush you will soon get fed up as it does not bother me because you just like thecoombdog have made yourselves look like bigger t1ts than Katie Price's

Thats fine by me you could not even tell me where Stratton St Margaret Was ? you might of went last night but no way you are a regular Swindon supporter.

[Midland Red]

Did none of you listen to the riders' comments on Sky? They all said that the problem was not with the track but with visibility, due to the rain on their goggles/tear-offs

[Aces51]

Did none of you listen to the riders' comments on Sky? They all said that the problem was not with the track but with visibility, due to the rain on their goggles/tear-offs

I don't think that makes any difference. The visibility was good enough for the riders to race hard in heats 11 and 12. Despite Rosco's best efforts to persuade her otherwise, Charlie told us the rain had slackened off after heat 10 and Tatum said during heat 12 that there was no reason not to continue.

 

Rosco regarded the 3 points as more important than denying the fans there and those watching on TV the opportunity to get what they had paid to see. I very much doubt it would have been called off if both teams had wanted to continue.

[theblueboy]

It's disappointing that so many people sat in the comfort of their front room seem to think they have some God given right to moan.

 

The only people who have a right to moan are the ones who spent their hard earned last night, stood in the pouring rain for the 3rd meeting out of 5 and were short changed. The decision announced over the tannoy confirmed it was a joint decision so why is Rosco the fall guy?

 

Health and Safety should be of paramount importance and knowing the margins of error are minute then I would expect a little more understanding.

 

For the record, I felt the meeting should have continued as the rain was no worse than heat 4 or 5, there was some excellent battles and the meeting was nicely poised but I don't ride a bike professionally so what do I know.

[orion]

I don't think that makes any difference. The visibility was good enough for the riders to race hard in heats 11 and 12. Despite Rosco's best efforts to persuade her otherwise, Charlie told us the rain had slackened off after heat 10 and Tatum said during heat 12 that there was no reason not to continue.

 

Rosco regarded the 3 points as more important than denying the fans there and those watching on TV the opportunity to get what they had paid to see. I very much doubt it would have been called off if both teams had wanted to continue.

Not at all as has already been said it was quite clear that the majority of the riders on both sides did not want to ride and Ronnie Allen agree with that .