Swindon V Belle Vue 26/5/14

[WestGorton1884]

 

Maybe it's you who is missing the point, the track was producing good racing, whether Belle Vue got any points or not is irrelevant, the public were robbed of a fifth of the meeting because, as was clear to see, Swindon didn't want to continue.

 

We can all throw up past events to back up our arguments but just for a moment try taking this one for what it was, a decent meeting on a track producing good racing, look no further than Palm-Toft's tussle with Morris, can you honestly call that a dangerous track?

 

Sod the points, it should be about giving value for money.

Exactly ,,,, i'm a Bellle Vue fan , and its nothing to do with the points

Rossiter & Batchelor cheated the paying public ( their own fans i may add ) out of at least another 3 heats of speedway ,

because they were to concerned about losing 1 maybe 2 points to the Aces , when they should have been looking at the bigger picture

ie , entertaining the paying public

Edited May 26, 2014 by WestGorton1884

[The Doctor...]

Have to agree with the Doctor and Gater.

 

The personal abuse does seem to be getting out of hand.

 

I refer you to my private message to you last month - now THATS personal abuse..

Edited May 26, 2014 by The Doctor...

[orion]

 

As a neutral, can i ask why a good few of you who jumped on Gater1, it seems none of you had the stones to go and meet them or even look to meet them at the meeting?

 

I hate the phrases keyboard warriors/keyboard commandos etc, but it does seem like he offered to meet up, yet you all seemed a bit scared to back up your online abuse by seeing it through..

 

Pretty pathetic.

OMG

[Hel'n'Back]

I feel short changed tonight, not just because I'm an armchair fan but because I pay a lot to Sky for watching and in my opinion this meeting should have carried on

[The Doctor...]

OMG

 

I honestly dont give a toss if he's KKS or not, but why didnt you call his bluff then ?

[SCB]

I've got no problem with the Coventry meeting we lost it fair and square, if it weren't for the crash to Darryl we would have lost it in 15 heats and frankly you questioning my integrity is rather insulting and totally unfair

My comment was aimed at "fans" as one not individuals. Most Swindon fans moaned then. Most Swindon fans are defending now. I don't know what individual fans said at the time and I'm not trawling back to find out but the numbers involved mean some must have changed their mind now the boots on the other foot.

[FrankThePug]

My comment was aimed at "fans" as one not individuals. Most Swindon fans moaned then. Most Swindon fans are defending now. I don't know what individual fans said at the time and I'm not trawling back to find out but the numbers involved mean some must have changed their mind now the boots on the other foot.

I'm sure some have, unfortunately we have some "true" fans who are blinkered with the rose tinted spectacles and will obviously change there mind. I for one said we deserved to lose that meeting and we've deserved to lose meetings that we have lost, I however do not feel BV showed anything to claim a point tonight

[montie]

Once the GP star ran a shocking last in heat 11 and packed up while two "second strings" raced their nuts of you could see it was going to be called off

 

Was plain obvious that the meeting should have continued to a proper 15 heat finish,and what the hell the ref was doing re running heat 2 i will never know....Belle Vue certainly didnt get much luck tonight

 

Great ride by MPT also--He always could ride a wet track!!!

[Speedy swindon pete]

Don't have time for a full review, but just flicked through the sky recording, the sky cameras certainly made visibility seem better than it actually was there in the stadium.

 

Some decent racing, shame it was called after 12.

[Aces51]

I however do not feel BV showed anything to claim a point tonight

They obviously did enough to frighten Rosco and Bachelor into thinking they might.

 

As others have said, whether Belle Vue might have got something out of the match is not the concern. It is that again we see a match abandoned when conditions were no worse than they were in heat 11 and that race proved that not only was the track rideable but raceable.

 

It was obvious Rosco would try to get it called off when he was trying to tell Charlie the rain was heavier and she said it wasn't.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Aces51

[BritPete]

One question. Would Rosco have been so vocal about calling it off if the scores were the other way round? I don't think so somehow.

[g13webb]

When meetings are cut short, it always leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. The reality of any decision has to be made because of riders safety. The points situation, although critical, should never come into the equation. Either the track is unsafe or it's not. This rule about heat 10 was designed as a decision point, solely for the purpose of awarding a result. It doesn't mean that the tracks are always ok up to heat 9. Decisions will always be made dictated by the finances of the situation. Promotions will never volunteer to give money back, so will always run long enough to off put that, but the track can be unsafe before then and meeting called off, but it never is..........

 

The curtailing of last nights meeting was a joke. It echoed insults to the paying public and the tele audiences. The decision was made for all the wrong reasons. Those who partook in that decision must question their reasons. As it happened heat 12 was probably the best race of the night. Three of the four riders were racing to the line with no issues with the track at all, while the one involved in that decision making was at the back. ( Strange that)

 

Whether BV managed to get a point is unimportant. But it was wrong of Swindon to cancel the meeting purely, safeguarding the points they had already earnt, at the expense of taking the supporters money under pretence.

[trubruv]

Exactly ,,,, i'm a Bellle Vue fan , and its nothing to do with the points

Rossiter & Batchelor cheated the paying public ( their own fans i may add ) out of at least another 3 heats of speedway ,

because they were to concerned about losing 1 maybe 2 points to the Aces , when they should have been looking at the bigger picture

ie , entertaining the paying public

Rossiter and Batchelor didnt cheat the public! they made their opinions known to the referee who consulted both parties and made a decission! The problem once again is with the rule makers, as to be able to get a result when there are points to be played for is wrong! Robins v coventry is a good example in point! so stop blaming the riders who earn far more in other countrys and have a very short career! To be fair there were some good races and it was the younger riders who were going for it, which is normal in life! With the right mentor and equipment young Nathan could become the find of the season! (shame Lee Adams was not at Swindon to help) I would just like to say thank you to everyone for getting the meeting to a conclusion considering the rain!

[screm]

One question. Would Rosco have been so vocal about calling it off if the scores were the other way round? I don't think so somehow.

 

Fair point but Rossiter did say that when interviewed, that if he had been on the other side of things he might be a bit more keener to keep things going.

[Rob B]

Not watched it on sky yet, from being at the track if the meeting was going to be called off it should have been called off at heat 10, it had been drizzling all meeting from heat 1 so visibility wasn't the issue. The track had got bit wetter but was still raceable as MPT showed, the only faller had been Cook & Johnson earlier in the meeting, riders were forced to ride in much worst conditions by 'sky' in the Belle Vue v Poole meeting last year. Once they made the decision to carry on at heat 10 it should have gone to heat 15 as it wasn't any worst 2 heats later.

Edited May 27, 2014 by Rob B

[dump that clutch]

All of the venomous hatred being spouted on here, yes, there was some decent races last night but look at the times, 4 to 5 seconds slower than normal.

Didn't Scott Nicholls say with one of his many interviews that the track was dangerous, unless you were in front.....?

 

I reckon Nathan should put an offer in for Simon's bike, cracking ride in heat 2, we would have never have seen that one if the heat was awarded, like it should have been. Pleased for Simon, let's hope he kicks on form this.

MPT ballsy ride with Nick was good to see.

 

Mixed opinion for me on the abandonment, thought it should have stopped after heat 10 myself, but what if heat 13 had seen a plie up on the first corner people on here would have been jumping up and down stating the obvious. Yes meetings have been run in worse conditions but does the decision last night make things right..?

 

Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

[Star Lady]

From what I can see, most of the sour grapes is coming from the armchair keyboard moaners, who were certainly not part of the "Paying public"

 

 

Debacles like last nights are part of the reason so many of the paying public no longer pay to go to meetings if the weather is iffy. There is much debate on here about falling attendances, I'd suggest events like last night are part of the problem.

 

 

The curtailing of last nights meeting was a joke. It echoed insults to the paying public and the tele audiences. The decision was made for all the wrong reasons. Those who partook in that decision must question their reasons. As it happened heat 12 was probably the best race of the night. Three of the four riders were racing to the line with no issues with the track at all, while the one involved in that decision making was at the back. ( Strange that)

 

 

 

Spot on, especially the bit in bold.

 

Not watched it on sky yet, from being at the track if the meeting was going to be called off it should have been called off at heat 10, it had been drizzling all meeting from heat 1 so visibility wasn't the issue. The track had got bit wetter but was still raceable as MPT showed, the only faller had been Cook & Johnson earlier in the meeting, riders were forced to ride in much worst conditions by 'sky' in the Belle Vue v Poole meeting last year. Once they made the decision to carry on at heat 10 it should have gone to heat 15 as it wasn't any worst 2 heats later.

 

 

Bit in bold again spot on. The only difference from the end of heat 10 to the end of heat 12, was the cracking race where if memory serves me none of the riders actually racing (as opposed to pootling) actually had any problem controlling the bike.

 

 

Maybe if we have to have meeting stewards at Sky meetings, they should be ex riders, who actually have knowledge of what it's like to control a bike in wet conditions. They should then advise the referee, who IMHO should be in sole charge of the meeting.

Edited May 27, 2014 by Star Lady

[spanner47]

When one team has secured max points and is trying to get it postponed, and the other obviously wants to carry on, then why not give the ref a simple rule that he can go by. If the track has been "raceable" all evening, then one team says It's only "rideable", then surely the times will tell the ref the truth. At Foxhall last Thursday Ht 12 was 6 seconds slower than Ht 1, that tells me the track was only rideable by then, and it was rightly called off, I cant find the times for last night, but Ht 11 looked an excellent "race" to me.

[longlivefrankie]

I made the effort to go to Swindon last night, from Wales and frankfully that's it for me I've supported speedway since 1965 but the track was race able let alone rideable in IMO ok I'm not a rider but I've seen a lot of racing & a ot of rain affected meetings. The sport is a joke in my eyes now sad but true.

 

 

Won't attend another meeting until the sport sorts it self out

[g13webb]

Confucius once said: ' You can always find an excuse when you are looking for one'

 

The abandonment of last night meeting was ridiculous. And we wonder why people don't go any more.............