rjsj9803 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I don't tend to follow the continental leagues to be fair, but having caught the Indianerna V Vetlanda meeting on tele the other day it seems the crowds are similar to many EL tracks yet the strength of the sides crucify our EL with a top 5 of Fredrik Lindgren, Piotr Swiderski, Piotr Protasiewicz, Cameron Woodward & NKI. I have no idea what kind of point limit is in place if any, but can we really call ourselves elite when we have such a watered down league in comparison, I can't see the clubs paying much more to the top guys given the crowds seem of a similar size, so are our promoters getting something horribly wrong? Given it costs me the thick end of £70 to go to Monmore with the kids burgers and drink each Monday I feel decidedly short changed now, not having a moan just questioning why we seem to be the poor relations these days, we didn't even bother to send a couple of lads to the new pairs championships that has also been televised yet Latvia made the effort, no disrespect to Latvia of course. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I don't tend to follow the continental leagues to be fair, but having caught the Indianerna V Vetlanda meeting on tele the other day it seems the crowds are similar to many EL tracks yet the strength of the sides crucify our EL with a top 5 of Fredrik Lindgren, Piotr Swiderski, Piotr Protasiewicz, Cameron Woodward & NKI. I have no idea what kind of point limit is in place if any, but can we really call ourselves elite when we have such a watered down league in comparison, I can't see the clubs paying much more to the top guys given the crowds seem of a similar size, so are our promoters getting something horribly wrong? Given it costs me the thick end of £70 to go to Monmore with the kids burgers and drink each Monday I feel decidedly short changed now, not having a moan just questioning why we seem to be the poor relations these days, we didn't even bother to send a couple of lads to the new pairs championships that has also been televised yet Latvia made the effort, no disrespect to Latvia of course. Any ideas? point limit is 10.250 and is based on heat averages. You can find allot more info here: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=67537 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneylegend Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Slightly of subject, just to say that was one hell of a meeting great racing. Really enjoyed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Yes,but most of the passing was on the inside......which doesn't count 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I doubt the Swedish clubs pay extortionate rents to the stadium owners as most UK clubs have to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I doubt the Swedish clubs pay extortionate rents to the stadium owners as most UK clubs have to. And there in lies the rub. British speedway is all over the place with rents, conditions, available race nights, planning permissions etc and therefore wouldn't have a hope a replicating a set up such as they have in Sweden. Just a thought though, how complicated is the Swedish rule book and do their promoters constantly try to out fox each other or do they work together? Anyway, I thought it was a very good meeting indeed, some cracking stuff served up by some quality riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 And there in lies the rub. British speedway is all over the place with rents, conditions, available race nights, planning permissions etc and therefore wouldn't have a hope a replicating a set up such as they have in Sweden. Just a thought though, how complicated is the Swedish rule book and do their promoters constantly try to out fox each other or do they work together? Anyway, I thought it was a very good meeting indeed, some cracking stuff served up by some quality riders. As far as I know-Sweden don`t have "promoters " like we do - the clubs are run by the community for the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 As far as I know-Sweden don`t have "promoters " like we do - the clubs are run by the community for the community. Regardless,each club must have someone who acts as 'boss' and goes to meetings to agree on rules for the season etc or are you saying that the rules are handed down to the clubs from Svemo without anyone having any input?Sure as hell can't have each community turning up to an annual gathering!!!! So the question still stands.Do the clubs work together or do they try to out fox each other..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Regardless,each club must have someone who acts as 'boss' and goes to meetings to agree on rules for the season etc or are you saying that the rules are handed down to the clubs from Svemo without anyone having any input?Sure as hell can't have each community turning up to an annual gathering!!!! So the question still stands.Do the clubs work together or do they try to out fox each other..... No, each club and the Ltd that is owned by the clubs, have a board which is elected by the members/shareholders and each board have a chair-man/woman of the board. That person usually have the general responsibility for the club. Then most clubs have a sporting director and 1-2 team managers. The sporting director is usually one of the team managers. Each club usually have multiple teams, i.e. Smederna who have 1 Elitserien team (Ikaros Smederna), 1 DIv1 (3rd tier series) team (Smederna), 1 (mandatory) Elit B team (Smederna) and one 80cc team (Smederna ungdom). Smederna like most other clubs also have a speedway school (from age 5 and older). The clubs then have a joint organization which I don't remember the name of, then there is two additional separate organizations, one for Allsvenskan and one for Elitserien. The joint organization handles general matter for the sport while the separate organizations handles matters that only applies to that series. Matters like season fixtures, tv-money/broadcasting negotiations with Svemo and other additional rules (tilläggsregler) for that series. Svemo is the ruling federation but rules can both be decided about by Svemo and the teams but all rules have to be issued by Svemo in the annual seriereglerna (series rules). Svemo also administrates the sport regarding team licenses, rider licenses, referees, registering teams for leagues and riders for teams and etc. However from next season everything will be managed the by the clubs themselves (which will be like waiting for the inevitable disaster). See this post for more info; http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=67537&page=47&do=findComment&comment=2451626 Regarding track ownerships it varies from one track to another, all tracks except one (Tallhult, Hagfors) is owned either by the club who use it (like G&B Arena in Målilla which is used by Dackarna) or by the city (Kommun) in which the track is located. All tracks except Gubbängen (used by Hammarby) are speedway exclusive tracks meaning speedway is the only or main purpose use. Despite all this extensive organisations and etc, there are only 88 licensed riders (87 until Billy Forsberg decided to do a comeback) and several riders have retired recently and there are also several riders (Pk, Zorro, Max) who are on the verge of retirement. Luckily there are a few young guns like Oliver Berntzon and Fredrik Engman who might have a good future. Iris, the answer to your question "Do the clubs work together or do they try to out fox each other" is both. But mainly clubs are very short time minded, they want rule changed that are good for them at the moment but not necessarily good for the sport in a long timer perspective. Like the average cap, some teams like Vetlanda and especially Dackarna have for many years wanted a much higher cap or no cap at all. Obviously since they have much stronger sponsoring then the other team, they want to be able to field a stronger team regardless if that would be negative for the sport in general in a long term perspective. Edited May 22, 2014 by Ghostwalker 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Very similar to how Danish clubs work and sports clubs in general in Germany and i guess many countries.This structure makes it fairly hard for any Sheik etc to take over a Bundesliga football club.This weekend there is a 'crisis' meeting for the Hamburg football club where a certain group want to 'take over' the club and make the football team seperate from all the other sports that it runs.It needs 75% of the votes to get into power,which makes any sort of takeover very hard. On the number of riders,i think Anders Michanek in Backtrack mentioned there were 300 riders(hope i am right,going from memory)when he was riding and it was down to about 100 or so when the article was done.So the decline has carried on.Remember watching Billy riding for Sweden U21s against Denmark U21 and that must have been 9 or 10 years ago,so it will be very hard for him to reach a decent level now i would imagine.Seen Berntzon + Engman during their 80cc career,which i have most of the top Swedes since Mellgren and Andersson.Last year at the Gold Trophy Final i saw Joel Kling,who was the only Swede to qualify.Hope to get to either or both the Euro 80cc finals and i think there is an 80cc test match against Denmark planned,so might get to see a few more.But i guess the Swedes have been waiting for about 10 years for another rider to come through into the top level.From that U21 meeting 9 or 10 years ago none really made any impression on top level speedway.The likes of Aldén,Eric Andersson,Ricky Kling etc.Then again the Danes didn't really fair much better although at one time it did look as if Hougaard,Klindt and Madsen might get up there.Think all of them at least made the Danish SWC team,but the next generation look like overtaking them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Iris, in Sweden is impossible for anyone to take over a club since it is mandatory by regulations that the parent sports association has to own at least 51% of the stocks in the Ltd company and the sports association themselves cannot be owned due to the nature of their structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Guess it is the same in Germany,at least in football.Which is why there are no Russian oligarchs or Arab sheiks owning any club.Think it must be different in Ice Hockey though as i am sure one guy owns both Berlin and Hamburg. On the speedway and numbers of riders,wasn't there a rule over the winter that helped protect places for swedish riders?Seem to remember some of the young Danes moaning that they hadn't got the team places they thought they were going to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Iris, to my knowledge there hasn't been any rules changes regarding minimum amount for neither Allsvenskan or Elitserien to this season. Or is is it something else you are thinking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Can anyone explain match squads rule? Are there threee Swedes obligatory? Any CMA? Which riders can be on 6-7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Can anyone explain match squads rule? Are there threee Swedes obligatory? Any CMA? Which riders can be on 6-7? It is explained in this post: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=67537 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Seems from a parent of one of the Danes,the 80cc test meetings are next weekend.As both seem to be fairly near me i will try and get to one of them.Would appreciate it Ghostie, if you can post the Swedish squad if you happen to see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Seems from a parent of one of the Danes,the 80cc test meetings are next weekend.As both seem to be fairly near me i will try and get to one of them.Would appreciate it Ghostie, if you can post the Swedish squad if you happen to see it I haven't seen any but you could always send an email to the Swedish youth team team manager, you can find the email at: http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Speedway/Kontaktpersoner/Landslagsledare/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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