Benefit Of Bet365

[semion]

it was roughly prices I put earlier.

You sure Gater ? You aint being pulling our plonkers and dont you even go the meetings, have you ?

[Grachan]

I go to see Swindon a lot

 

Do you really? Or are you just pretending?

 

For me, I think it is a positive thing. I've been watching more speedway this year then I have in recent years because of it. It's also resulted in added interest in the household and attending more meetings than I have done in recent years.

 

And, yes, this is purely because we've been watching these live feeds.

[orion]

 

But they're closer to the second string than Gary Chessell was in relation to Tommy Knudsen when the Bees met Swindon in the late 80's, or Wayne Broadhurst was to Jimmy Nilsen in the same meeting.

 

Your point has no validity in the slightest. In the first twenty years I watched the sport, I saw Andy Hackett beat Erik Gundersen once and Andy Meredith beat Shawn Moran after being towed round by Peter Karlsson! Lesser lights beating second strings or heat leaders happened once in a blue moon.

 

Team Speedway is far better when you have riders of varying quality, with the Swedish League being a prime example of how not to do things. Top fives packed with stars, yet the racing is absolutle rubbish consistently.

Not at all looked at Messing record he's beaten many heat leaders in his time included Jason Crump I expect ...Greenwood etc were nowhere near second strings in any race so your example is poor one and does show the racing is closer now in any form

[Fozzie4388]

I can only imagine the bet365 company wanting to do the streaming to supplement their betting. They aren't bothered about the well being of our sport.

Thinking of last night, I imagine there were quite a few who would or could have travelled to Perry Bar, but elected to stay at home and watch via the stream. I just wondered, are clubs being amply rewarded for this service in view of numbers dwindling.

 

I believe all these new media additions i.e.. Updates, Twitter, Facebook, Streaming, all have an effect on todays gates........

 

Promoter must feel it's like banging their heads against the brick walls all the time.

 

All these new Features Updates? The Updates site has been running over 10 years so it's hardly new.

 

In my view the prices what places charge now for Speedway has outgrown the product but I guess that could be said about everything these days.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Superstar1

[semion]

I do go to Swindon if the meeting is not on bet365.

If you want exact prices Programme £2.50 and car parking £1.50

 

You sure you aint being telling us Porkies ?

[CB252]

Not at all looked at Messing record he's beaten many heat leaders in his time included Jason Crump I expect ...Greenwood etc were nowhere near second strings in any race so your example is poor one and does show the racing is closer now in any form

 

I'm not trying to prove that it's any closer now, I'm just stating the fact that it's not that radically different to how it was 30 years ago in terms of team structure / strung out races. There will always be good meetings and there will always be bad meetings.

 

I think peoples main issue is that it now costs 17 quid to get in rather than £2.80, and Speedway in any form over the last 50 years doesn't represent a value for money night out for that price. That, coupled with the fact that promoters are largely clueless, is what holds the sport back.

[g13webb]

 

 

Brilliant, ban all media.

 

That's the way to bring the sport into the 21st Century!

 

'Ban media' was obviously the wrong word. Delay, would be better. Controlled Media, The sport needs to be governed in the correct way. Not just one free for all .

Of cause I'm aware of the benefits of Sky television and the ability to push the sport into homes . But pushing out live league broadcast does more harm than good, a few hour delay wouldn't do any a harm to viewing numbers but it would probably put more people on the gate. Transmit the big meetings live like SGP but do away with live league matches......

The word is 'tweeting' GRW : )

 

Sorry.... Slip of the finger.....

[orion]

 

 

 

The races are actually less strung out than ever before due to the format, as we no longer have to witness the sort of garbage we were when Jason Crump finished three quarters of a lap ahead of Andreas Messing!

 

 

This is what you said unless it was someone else ...the fact of matter the races are just as strung out now as they were before and you still have watch garbage races between nl no hopers v second strings that end up 3 and a quarters of a lap in between the riders .

Edited May 16, 2014 by orion

[Grachan]

This is what you said unless it was someone else ...the fact of matter the races are just as strung out now as they were before and you still have watch garbage races between nl no hopers v second strings that end up 3 and a quarters of a lap in between the riders .

 

Unless Simon Gustafsson is in the race.

[Shale Searcher]

I am really glad I am not a national league no hoper, how disrespectful to young British Riders coming into the sport, don't you think that statement about them is not only grossly unfair, it's sheer nastiness..

[orion]

 

Unless Simon Gustafsson is in the race.

I never said who was in front

[SCB]

I am really glad I am not a national league no hoper, how disrespectful to young British Riders coming into the sport, don't you think that statement about them is not only grossly unfair, it's sheer nastiness..

It's a statement of fact for some though. Harsh? Yes. Reality? Yes.

 

That doesn't mean all NL rider are no hopers.

[semion]

Hows about Newman, Garrity, Keer, Rose, Worrall, to name but a few more Gater. Just for balance you understand.

[CUFC_Brummie]

The draft was never going to be something that worked instantly, it's a long-term project that will get better year-on-year, and produce better riders as well, but the demand for instant success, particularly in sport these days, means that people expect results as soon as it's implemented. That rarely happens in any walk of life, let alone something which is designed on the long-term development of young riders.

 

However it's not going to transform the fortunes of the sport on it's own, it's one of many things that need to be done, not all our hopes can be pinned on this and there's a lot more work to do.

 

As for Bet365, I haven't watched any of the streams yet and I would never pick watching a stream over going to the meeting, but I can see why others do. Hard to judge without seeing the financial impact but overall I think it's probably not going to do the clubs a lot of good, one meeting a week on Sky can be useful marketing but when you get 5/6 meetings a week streamed online for free, it's probably too much.

Edited May 16, 2014 by CUFC_Brummie

[Star Lady]

I suggest a ban on all media, but it could never be controlled. On Wednesday up in the Royal Box, there was someone near me, twitting after every heat. god knows who was receiving that. No doubt they were well pleased to be kept up to date so easily. But it was someone who was interested in the score but decided against going to the meeting.

I thought dinosaurs were extinct!

[Rob B]

Bet365 are not doing the streaming. AtTheRaces are doing the streaming and at the moment Bet365 are the only bookies buying the stream from them. AtTheRaces is owned by Sky. It is part of the new Sky deal done this year.

[capone]

It does not benefit at all. I would watch the stream instead of going to the Abbey to watch Swindon because £17 plus £3 for programme and £1 for parking is a bit expensive for 15 well strung out races with a NL Heat run twice in the meeting.

i really like the comment about N.L. heat run twice (the elitional league as i call it)thats why i dont go any more...just pick a few g.ps and go to them now

[Trees]

Of course the stream is good. Would NEVER keep me away from live speedway, can't believe it does others, my thinking is they wouldn't have gone anyway!

[mikebv]

bet365, another very valid reason why people are not attending speedway now in the same numbers as they did last year, or the year before that, or the year before that, or the year before etc etc etc ad infinitum....

 

nothing more rewarding than spending the best part of two hours each evening rocking along to k-tels 'hits of the seventies' whilst watching a starting marshal on a tiny screen stood waiting around whilst four speedway riders (and a ref) take an interminable length of time to start racing....

 

add that to the list of other (also very valid by the way) reasons that affect attendance levels to be discussed at the next bspa get together...

 

those other (seriously very valid) reasons being..

 

the football world cup,

the boat race

the grand national

wimbledon tennis

the test matches

the golf

the darts

the global warming (obviously)

the rise of ukip

the worries about the political situation in syria, oh, and a brand new one..

the public grief at the abdication of king juan carlos in spain

 

all very relevant and up against all that, it's not surprising that even such a well ran, professionally organised and administered sport like speedway will find it hard to compete...

[The Pedaler]

Got to confess to watching on Bet365 rather than going out to some live matches. I know lots of others doing the same.

 

So there's no commentary. So what? Better no commentary than the clown on Eurosport or Itchy and Scratchy on SkySports. You don't get commentary in the stadiums either (and when you do, it's off idiots like Peter York at Coventry, which is most undesirable)