Lakeside V Kings Lynn 19 May El A Sky Match

[The Voice Of Reason]

Regarding the quick appearance of the tractor.

 

Please let me try and put that one to bed.

 

There would have been no intent whatsoever to cause confusion or gain an unfair advantage.

 

You have to bear in mind that Sky Meetings are run to extremely precise, strict timings. Advertisers are paying for specific, timed and contracted slots for their sponsored ads to appear. Failure by Sky in this regard could potentially make them liable to refunding advertisers.

 

Generally, any respective club has complete autonomy on how a meeting is run. Dependent upon weather conditions, we all know that track-grading is undertaken throughout a meeting - in liaison between (primarily) the Clerk of the Course and the Track Curator; and with advance communication (of at least one heat) with the Referee and both Team Managers.

 

At a Sky meeting, it's a totally different scenario. Basically, their producer runs the entire meetings' timings. You are told when advert breaks are coming up; and HAVE to grade accordingly.

 

The tractor with the water trailer at Lakeside is kept to the rear of the pits in accordance with safety standards - and whereby it often has to refill the water tanker via the rear car park. To this end, our tractor drivers (Ken and Gerald) are on a very tight timescale during Sky meetings to fill up in advance, then drive safely through the pits (which is particularly manic during televised meetings due to extra personnel and expensive equipment), and onto the track ASAP to do their few grading laps. What I'm basically trying to say is that time is truly of the essence.

 

Having performed my first Clerk of the Course duty two years ago, at our Sky Meeting against Poole, you literally have so many more balls to juggle than usual. On a two-way radio to the Ref about team changes, another to the Track Curator (telling him to go out and grade/hurry up/come off - and try holding a conversation above the noise of a 60 year-old tractor engine!) whilst Sky are shouting down your earhole about something else completely!

 

Sky obviously pay the dosh so have the right to call the shots. And each meeting is assessed by them to ensure everything has gone to their timescales. Hence the reason that EVERYONE involved with any club, associated in any track-staff perspective, are so very often the unsung (and unpaid I hasten to add!) heroes of our sport.

[LagutaRacingFan]

Fair play to Lambert, adding some excitement.

[mickthemuppet]

Rule 15.4 During a Heat the Referee may order the disqualification of a Rider, who must withdraw immediately from the course, but still allow the Heat to continue; this may include when (a) both wheels of the motorcycle cross the inner edge of the track unless such action is for another Rider’s safety or due to another Rider’s unfair action, ( a Rider receives outside assistance, including communication to/from the Pits, 3rd party physical contact with the motorcycle or Rider regardless of whether it assists the Rider or not and © a Rider is lapped.

Lambert should have got the point . The referee said he was disqualified because he had outside communication yet the referee admitted he heard nothing. . The referee was asked what was said and he said "I do not know"

[stratton]

Was a watchable meeting tonight, i dont usually enjoy it here but there was some half decent racing tonight .Lambert impressive has a good racing brain for someone so young if he keeps on learning he will be a force in years to come.Puk same old reliable machine of a rider points everywhere young Morley also was decent a great win for the Stars 2014 champions.?

[LittleDi86]

I had faith, Lynn always pick up the points In the last few heats. Chuffed for the boys 😊

[Royal Box]

Lambert should have got the point . The referee said he was disqualified because he had outside communication yet the referee admitted he heard nothing. . The referee was asked what was said and he said "I do not know"

being on the exit of the second bend it was plain to see it was one of the pit crew waving and shouting at him and pointing, and Robert responded only after the message had sunk in. Otherwise he was ready to go to the pits. As a stars fan I thought it was a fair call. Though bit later it was said the exclusion was due to Robert having a tyre on the outside of the track, so got a bit murky then as to which offence he was excluded for.

[Daniel Smith]

a great win for the Stars 2014 champions.?

Nope, way to early for that. We're still yet to see the big move from the Pirates. Write them off at this early stage at your peril

[david2905]

To be honest, I find it daft anything about outside influence is in the rulebook, how much difference is someone yelling and waving on the sidelines going to make ?,.

[Custom House Kid]

To be honest, I find it daft anything about outside influence is in the rulebook, how much difference is someone yelling and waving on the sidelines going to make ?,.

If it was my wife a lot!!!!!!

[Star Fever]

Regarding the quick appearance of the tractor.

 

Please let me try and put that one to bed.

 

There would have been no intent whatsoever to cause confusion or gain an unfair advantage.

 

You have to bear in mind that Sky Meetings are run to extremely precise, strict timings. Advertisers are paying for specific, timed and contracted slots for their sponsored ads to appear. Failure by Sky in this regard could potentially make them liable to refunding advertisers.

 

Generally, any respective club has complete autonomy on how a meeting is run. Dependent upon weather conditions, we all know that track-grading is undertaken throughout a meeting - in liaison between (primarily) the Clerk of the Course and the Track Curator; and with advance communication (of at least one heat) with the Referee and both Team Managers.

 

At a Sky meeting, it's a totally different scenario. Basically, their producer runs the entire meetings' timings. You are told when advert breaks are coming up; and HAVE to grade accordingly.

 

The tractor with the water trailer at Lakeside is kept to the rear of the pits in accordance with safety standards - and whereby it often has to refill the water tanker via the rear car park. To this end, our tractor drivers (Ken and Gerald) are on a very tight timescale during Sky meetings to fill up in advance, then drive safely through the pits (which is particularly manic during televised meetings due to extra personnel and expensive equipment), and onto the track ASAP to do their few grading laps. What I'm basically trying to say is that time is truly of the essence.

 

Having performed my first Clerk of the Course duty two years ago, at our Sky Meeting against Poole, you literally have so many more balls to juggle than usual. On a two-way radio to the Ref about team changes, another to the Track Curator (telling him to go out and grade/hurry up/come off - and try holding a conversation above the noise of a 60 year-old tractor engine!) whilst Sky are shouting down your earhole about something else completely!

 

Sky obviously pay the dosh so have the right to call the shots. And each meeting is assessed by them to ensure everything has gone to their timescales. Hence the reason that EVERYONE involved with any club, associated in any track-staff perspective, are so very often the unsung (and unpaid I hasten to add!) heroes of our sport.

Yep understand that fully.

 

Point was though that just maybe Lambert saw the riders going in and tractor coming so presumed race was over,and was dissuaded to go round for a point, and maybe the ref should've considered exactly what you're saying and that it might've influenced what happened. It was a correct decision by the ref yes but maybe a bit harsh under the circumstances. I'm just thankful it made no difference to the end result

[Hel'n'Back]

Good meeting to watch...but why didn't Lambert know the rules and not carry on going? Even push if needed..

Edited May 19, 2014 by Hel'n'Back

[Gavan]

Well maybe that will shut up the so called experts on here who always moan bout the Lakeside track it was a good meeting. Iversen was superb and remember no Bjerre and effectively one reserve. Defiantly the outstanding team this season. Ref got both decisions right in my eyes and being an Ipswich fan I was disappointed in Adam basically cheating. Tatum proved what a clown he is by condoning it. Then fair play to Vatcher who agreed with the decision and made Tatum out to be the prat he is.

[The Voice Of Reason]

Lambert should have got the point . The referee said he was disqualified because he had outside communication yet the referee admitted he heard nothing. . The referee was asked what was said and he said "I do not know"

 

I don't think mate that Jim Lawrence actually mentioned the word 'communication ' - and given the ref was in the box at the opposite side of the track, he was hardly in a position to do so! Jim referred to 'outside assistance'.

 

Rule 15.4 of a The SCB. 2014 Regulations states that a rider can be excluded if he

'receives outside assistance, including communication, to/from the pits'.

 

To this end, Jim Lawrence made a correct call. And fair play to him for knowing the rule book, because during 40 years of watching this sport, I never remember having seen a ref enforce this ruling.

 

You can check it out yourself at:

 

http://www.scbgb.co.uk/pdf/regulations/2014%20SPEEDWAY%20REGULATIONS.pdf

Edited May 19, 2014 by The Voice Of Reason

[Star Fever]

Good meeting to watch...but why didn't Lambert know the rules and not carry on going? Even push if needed..

I bet he'll know next time!

[Hel'n'Back]

I bet he'll know next time!

Too right

[Royal Box]

I don't think Jim Lawrence mentioned the actual word 'communication ' - and given the ref was in the box at the opposite side of the track, he was hardly in a position to do so! Jim referred to 'outside assistance'.

 

Rule 15.4 of a The SCB. 2014 Regulations states that a rider can be excluded if he

'receives outside assistance, including communication, to/from the pits'.

 

To this end, Jim Lawrence made a correct call. And fair play to him for knowing the rule book, because during 40 years of watching this sport, I never remember having seen a ref enforce this ruling.

 

You can check it out yourself at:

 

http://www.scbgb.co.uk/pdf/regulations/2014%20SPEEDWAY%20REGULATIONS.pdf

 

Agree 100% but Robert more than made up for this in later rides so time

to move on and let the lad forget about it

[Trees]

Well something happened all right, they only went and did it and I wuz there woooooooooooo!!!!

Edited May 19, 2014 by Trees

[Barrycuda]

Two things which happened tonight are deja vu. Highlights of Wolverhampton vs Ipswich play semi final 2004 were shown before the live meeting both Sam Ermolenko and Scott Nicholls fell foul of these rules.

Sam Ermolenko ditching it while last and opposition on a 5-1 and he got nothing for it not even a re-run. And Scott Nicholls fell and left the track to the pits when he could after remounting got 3rd when Micheal Max bike packed up.

 

Kelvin Tatum's remarks were from a riders point of view as simply as that tonight.

 

The outside assistance and outside influence rule reminds me of Dave Allen "Good night, thank you, and may your God go with you".

[Trees]

And I thought the reverse Gater!! :-) ✴✴✴✴✴✴

[stevebrum]

What a side the Stars are. Even without Bjerre they still managed to turn over a powerful Hammers side.

It is clear to see why they are the clear favourites this year.

Lambert is going to be awesome too.