Halifaxtiger Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Well done to the lads in the Stoke team on there four wins in a row, but lets not get carried away, the teams which they have defeted were either well down on power with injuries or not the strongest of teams. Dont think it will make much difference to the stay aways ,as there beef is not with the team, but with those who run Stoke speedway. There again you can only beat what is put in front of you, so well done boys. Most will only return if Stoke go back were they belong in the PL and the powers that be change. And yet is the promotion that put that team out and, according to what I am told, the track at the meeting at Loomer Road the other week was much improved. Lets cut them a bit of slack. I have been pretty critical of Stoke but if they turn things around a bit I'll certainly give credit where credit is due and its a pity that others can't do the same. I am actually quite looking forward to getting down there at some point. I think what people have to realise is that the level at what a team races is dictated largely by the gates they attract. I doubt if there has been a team that has dropped down a level that hasn't had to, so Stoke's move to the NL was almost certainly forced upon them by circumstances. While I can understand people not attending if they have an issue with the promotion, I really don't know why some will not go simply because the speedway is at NL rather than PL level. NL speedway is just as good as PL and, on many occasions, a lot better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Well done to the Stoke team, everyone will benefit from Stoke having a strong Team. 3 wins away from home it doesnt matter who against they have won them, you can only beat whats in front of you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) And yet is the promotion that put that team out and, according to what I am told, the track at the meeting at Loomer Road the other week was much improved. Lets cut them a bit of slack. I have been pretty critical of Stoke but if they turn things around a bit I'll certainly give credit where credit is due and its a pity that others can't do the same. I am actually quite looking forward to getting down there at some point. I think what people have to realise is that the level at what a team races is dictated largely by the gates they attract. I doubt if there has been a team that has dropped down a level that hasn't had to, so Stoke's move to the NL was almost certainly forced upon them by circumstances. While I can understand people not attending if they have an issue with the promotion, I really don't know why some will not go simply because the speedway is at NL rather than PL level. NL speedway is just as good as PL and, on many occasions, a lot better. You take it for granted at your peril. Some Lions fans don't have the best relation with the management, for what ever reason but they'll to support the Lions riders not the management. After all 28 years of hoping and dreaming focuses the mind. I will stick my neck out and say from a rider point of view the Stoke management is good and motivated riders win meetings if they have the ability ........simple. Although I am limitrd on experience of other teams but that's why I can't understand why last year went so wrong for Stoke they had good riders but maybe injuries and mechanical gremlins can't help well run or not. Anyway, I suppose though supporters want a club that's run for them. As a Lions fan I just want a club that runs. Edited May 18, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boozer Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 I don't like the promotion or there attitude at Stoke and for me NL racing is of no interest at all so I won't support it, that is my opinion but I have to say that for the supporters who are following Stoke this year good luck with the team because it seems that you have a team with potential as the results at the moment have shown, I hope that you get some success for the trophy cabinet. My issues with the promotion and NL racing can't take away the fact that there are supporters who do enjoy the speedway at Stoke and for them I wish you the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 I don't like the promotion or there attitude at Stoke and for me NL racing is of no interest at all so I won't support it, that is my opinion but I have to say that for the supporters who are following Stoke this year good luck with the team because it seems that you have a team with potential as the results at the moment have shown, I hope that you get some success for the trophy cabinet. My issues with the promotion and NL racing can't take away the fact that there are supporters who do enjoy the speedway at Stoke and for them I wish you the best. I felt the same way about joining the EL I just didn't feel like EL would offer md what the PL did but then I went to a couple and found they were just riders in Lions race jackets on and I have embraced it. I do miss the likes of Magnus and Nemo but maybe the draft has made it more of a draw to me, I don't know, but I am enjoying it and have found myself going to more away meetings aswell bbutif you've tried it and it does nothing fir you then you can't be blamed. Can I ask what it is that puts you off? because NL does nothing for me is a bit broad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Speaking as someone brought up on the likes of Penhall, Gundersen, Pedersen and the 'H' twins, I have to say that I find National League racing very entertaining. If you've tried it and don't like it fair enough but I wouldn't turn my back on it as a matter of principle without giving it a go. At the end of the day if there are seven riders out there representing my Club, I will go and support them no matter what level they are racing at. All opinions are equally valid though. Congrats to the Potters on a flying start to the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boozer Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Can I ask what it is that puts you off? because NL does nothing for me is a bit broad I suppose it's like most sports you find a level that suits you or you enjoy, having been to a few NL meetings I found myself thinking it's like watching junior racing, I know there are some very talented riders in the league but for me to many very poor riders. Like I said if it is what you enjoy then that's fine but I'm afraid it's not for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 SCSA, on 17 May 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:Mr Vasey, well done to the boys on their wins etc credit to them, i apologise for bearing off topic but you mention the folks who have a dig etc, perhaps you could enlighten us with some truthful answers maybe ? When is the club planning on returning to the PL? a polite question that is all. Well we would love to return to the Premier League but the only possible way that will happen at present is for the support and finances to be able to sustain that level of racing. This was not the case from perhaps about 2008 onwards and would not appear to be the case now given the economics of the country and the fact that there is still undoubted limitations in the disposable income available to most hard working people. We are making every effort at Stoke we have taken the problems of the track on head to head and further work is scheduled for next week. I believe that we have assembled a strong team of racers with excellent reserves who are delivering results and the spirit amongst the team is as good as any I have experienced. We too have been short handed with the very talented Lee Payne missing the last two matches due to injury so please let's have some balance when saying our opponents were short handed. They were also on their own tracks! For my team Ben Wilson is really getting it wound on now after his lengthy lay off. Chris Widman has produced career best results and got up from the floor to score more points at Kings Lynn after a dreadful looking first bend crash. Ben Hopwood is riding well that's why Poole have signed him and Jon Armstrong predicted that we would win at Kings Lynn when we were eleven points behind with only five heats left. He is the "definitive" Captain and went from last to first in Heat 15 at Kings Lynn sweeping around the outside and hammering down the back straight like he was 18 years old.. James McBain was injured in his second ride and a faller whilst second in his first race so we had to overcome that problem so we were very incomplete numbers wise due to the absence of Lee Payne already and used only three riders in one race because I was ensuring that Rob Shuttleworth had a gap between his races in the later stages at Kings Lynn. Rob Shuttleworth tackled the situation like a man and produced vital points despite his inexperience and he will grow into a great rider. He has skill determination and looks far from a man who has only five National League level matches under his belt and went into the match with a damaged wrist himself. We have great respect for every other team in this League but we will do our utmost to beat them on every single occasion and every single race. We are worth watching and we are stronger match by match. Malcolm Vasey Stoke Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I suppose it's like most sports you find a level that suits you or you enjoy, having been to a few NL meetings I found myself thinking it's like watching junior racing, I know there are some very talented riders in the league but for me to many very poor riders. Like I said if it is what you enjoy then that's fine but I'm afraid it's not for me. And you can't be blamed for that. You must find yourself in an impossible situation and badly let down. Maybe you could attend when some of the better teams are in town. Edited May 18, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokielee Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I agree totally with Boozer's statement. I have tried to enjoy NL at Stoke but I just cannot get into it. The NL racing I have seen when I have visited Loomer Rd has been poor to say the least. The attitude of the promotion also continues to grate with me. Within the last month we have had the great Malcolm Vasey employing bully-boy tactics, coming on here threatening people with legal action! Evidence enough that there are still considerable issues with the attitude of the promotion. You really could not make it up! As a direct result of Malcolm's attitude on here I deliberately missed the opening meeting at Stoke. I would've gone but that attitude made sure that I didn't. I will attend Stoke sometime this year (unless Malcolm's attitude persists), and if the racing is any good I will gladly come on here and say so. Edited May 18, 2014 by Stokielee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 I wonder how long it will be before Wilson is offered a return to the Premier League. Far to good for this level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 I agree totally with Boozer's statement. I have tried to enjoy NL at Stoke but I just cannot get into it. The NL racing I have seen when I have visited Loomer Rd has been poor to say the least. The attitude of the promotion also continues to grate with me. Within the last month we have had the great Malcolm Vasey employing bully-boy tactics, coming on here threatening people with legal action! Evidence enough that there are still considerable issues with the attitude of the promotion. You really could not make it up! As a direct result of Malcolm's attitude on here I deliberately missed the opening meeting at Stoke. I would've gone but that attitude made sure that I didn't. I will attend Stoke sometime this year (unless Malcolm's attitude persists), and if the racing is any good I will gladly come on here and say so. It isn't bullying for the individual concerned to continually malign us and on that occasion with deliberately misconstruing a comment I made and reported in the press. Why should I put up with that and be assured if the need arises so will the court case bullying or not? I am not going to watch people try and destroy Stoke without reminding them that there is legislation in place to deal with such occurrences. That is not bullying it is defending Stoke Speedway and myself but you know what the negative people on here are causing considerable amusement at their own expense in the speedway world. So many people have expressed their views to me about these crass and unworthy comments and not one says they are justified. We have done a lot to try and improve Stoke Speedway both in terms of the track and the team and I will not let anyone deliberately try and ruin that with such remarks. Fair comment is one thing mischievous trouble making is quite different. Maicolm Vasey Stoke Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boozer Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 It isn't bullying for the individual concerned to continually malign us and on that occasion with deliberately misconstruing a comment I made and reported in the press. Why should I put up with that and be assured if the need arises so will the court case bullying or not? I am not going to watch people try and destroy Stoke without reminding them that there is legislation in place to deal with such occurrences. That is not bullying it is defending Stoke Speedway and myself but you know what the negative people on here are causing considerable amusement at their own expense in the speedway world. So many people have expressed their views to me about these crass and unworthy comments and not one says they are justified. We have done a lot to try and improve Stoke Speedway both in terms of the track and the team and I will not let anyone deliberately try and ruin that with such remarks. Fair comment is one thing mischievous trouble making is quite different. Maicolm Vasey Stoke Speedway That really does show what is wrong at Loomer Road you fit in the mould with the rest of the promotion, no more needs to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) It isn't bullying for the individual concerned to continually malign us and on that occasion with deliberately misconstruing a comment I made and reported in the press. Why should I put up with that and be assured if the need arises so will the court case bullying or not? I am not going to watch people try and destroy Stoke without reminding them that there is legislation in place to deal with such occurrences. That is not bullying it is defending Stoke Speedway and myself but you know what the negative people on here are causing considerable amusement at their own expense in the speedway world. So many people have expressed their views to me about these crass and unworthy comments and not one says they are justified. We have done a lot to try and improve Stoke Speedway both in terms of the track and the team and I will not let anyone deliberately try and ruin that with such remarks. Fair comment is one thing mischievous trouble making is quite different. Maicolm Vasey Stoke Speedway I certainly don't think that the strength of the comments made by the individual concerned was justified but, to me, you have to look not just at those comments but the person making them. What he is is so rabidly and viciously biased against Stoke Speedway that, again to me, his remarks count for very little. Lets face it, f Stoke swept the board in the NL, won all the awards available regarding the track, announced a huge stadium development, a massive sponsorship and their elevation to the EL, he still wouldn't have a good thing to say about them. True, there maybe some who aren't aware just how big an axe he has to grind but anyone who reads a Stoke thread or knows about NL speedway almost certainly will. When my old mate Vog is critical of any aspect of Stoke Speedway the promotion should listen and, if possible, respond. He's a passionate fan without an agenda and just wants the best for his team. Comments by Mr Newsman, however, can be ignored, ridiculed or laughed at for the subjective spite that they are. You take it for granted at your peril. Some Lions fans don't have the best relation with the management, for what ever reason but they'll to support the Lions riders not the management. After all 28 years of hoping and dreaming focuses the mind. I will stick my neck out and say from a rider point of view the Stoke management is good and motivated riders win meetings if they have the ability ........simple. Although I am limitrd on experience of other teams but that's why I can't understand why last year went so wrong for Stoke they had good riders but maybe injuries and mechanical gremlins can't help well run or not. Anyway, I suppose though supporters want a club that's run for them. As a Lions fan I just want a club that runs. I am not sure what I am taking for granted but I fully take (and agree with) your point about supporting the team and not the management. I certainly wouldn't go to Mildenhall, for example, if my choice was based solely upon my view of the promotion. I don't agree totally about just having a club that runs because that takes away the responsibility of the promotion to do their best to ensure that the track is a success. All too readily in British Speedway, promotions have an arrogant and contemptuous 'take what you are given and be grateful' attitude towards paying spectators and that's not on - speedway is not just entertainment, its a business and, as in all businesses, those running it should make every effort to attract paying customers and I am not convinced - and I have many examples of this - that they all do. I would say Stoke have been guilty of that in the past but the past is just that - the past. It is very pleasing to read Malcolm's comments about the track and their attempts to tackle it because Loomer Road can be one of the best in the country. Throw in a good team - and they are dark horses for me - and you have the ingredients for a very successful season indeed. Leicester, however, is an example of a promotion not just disagreeing with the overwhelming opinion of spectators that there is a problem with the track but refusing to accept that the problem exists at all. That, to me, is a one way ticket to disaster and should the track close it would be totally unreasonable to point fingers at those who have stopped or refused to attend whilst absolving the promotion of any responsibility at all. Edited May 19, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) I am not sure what I am taking for granted but I fully take (and agree with) your point about supporting the team and not the management. I certainly wouldn't go to Mildenhall, for example, if my choice was based solely upon my view of the promotion. I don't agree totally about just having a club that runs because that takes away the responsibility of the promotion to do their best to ensure that the track is a success. All too readily in British Speedway, promotions have an arrogant and contemptuous 'take what you are given and be grateful' attitude towards paying spectators and that's not on - speedway is not just entertainment, its a business and, as in all businesses, those running it should make every effort to attract paying customers and I am not convinced - and I have many examples of this - that they all do. I would say Stoke have been guilty of that in the past but the past is just that - the past. It is very pleasing to read Malcolm's comments about the track and their attempts to tackle it because Loomer Road can be one of the best in the country. Throw in a good team - and they are dark horses for me - and you have the ingredients for a very successful season indeed. Leicester, however, is an example of a promotion not just disagreeing with the overwhelming opinion of spectators that there is a problem with the track but refusing to accept that the problem exists at all. That, to me, is a one way ticket to disaster and should the track close it would be totally unreasonable to point fingers at those who have stopped or refused to attend whilst absolving the promotion of any responsibility at all. I don't point fingers the point I was making was that it's a shame they can't support their team if not the promotion but then I can't question it as I can't sympathise with how they feel I genuinely feel for them that they can't enjoy what I do. I was also making the point that I was hostile to joining the EL but went with an open mind and found it not all that bad maybe if I hadn't liked it I may feel slightly different. I had watched EL meetings before but had no affinity to and found myself getting bored but obviously a connection of a team to support is completly different and the poster was saying that the change in league hadn't suited him or her. Apologies but i'm not getting into a Leicester track debate on here. Edited May 19, 2014 by TMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Boozer/Proud Potter, could it be suggested that you abuse each other via PM ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big lad Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Proud Potter, not wishing to get invoiled in all this , but can not you see that it is not one or two ex supporters but loads of people who use to go , dont any more. Can you therefore not see that something is very much wrong at Stoke Speedway, all these people who have a go can not all be wrong. You can not treat supporters with threats and expect them to turn up each week to support the team. If you were abused each time you entered a business , you would not keep returning. If the promotion can not see this then can you point it out to them before the place shuts up for good An ex life long supporter of Stoke Speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Malcolm do ever wonder if that 10 hour round trip is worth it every Saturday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbogge Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Malcolm do ever wonder if that 10 hour round trip is worth it every Saturday ? He must be getting a very good wage plus travel expences Edited May 19, 2014 by fredbogge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftman Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Can anyone imagine a football league manager going on a public forum to slag of the fans who have previously paid his salary . There are issues on both sides , but surely to continue to quote an Act of law because you don't agree with a speedway fans comments beggars belief . I'm trying to place Stokes Mark Hughes on the fan forum quoting one law after another , that's not relationship building methinks , Some fans are X fans for a reason ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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