TonyE Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) Excluding bonus points, watt is averaging more this seasin than last season, despite the tougher heat format. Could people explain why they are disapointed? He is a just over seven point rider, so whinging that he is only averaging 6.5 away seems absurd. Watty's season start average was 7.46 and, in EL matches in 2014, he is averaging 7.26 (excluding BP's). He can be both brilliant and frustrating - sometimes in the same meeting! The bigger worry is PK - currently 1.66 pts down on his starting average. Edited June 10, 2014 by TonyE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Watt seems to be riding better this season than over the last few, admittedly I`ve only seen him on tv in the European Pairs mainly but he looks like he is doing the business in those meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevtheRev Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 The problem with Watt is that he goes missing at crucial times far too often. The best example was at the end of last season when he went missing at crucial matches and Lakeside missed out on the play offs - to Poole. The place where he freely admits holds a special place in his heart. With a superstar in the making - Bech, on a 5 point average +2 good FTR's +Lawson riding so well + Bridger improving, Lakeside have their best opportunity to win the EL in 2014. However, Watt on the other hand has put in some disgraceful performances this year and Lakeside have already dropped key league points thanks mainly to a low scoring Watt. Last night, 4 points against a depleted BV is not good enough. Some would say he was trying hard - but was he really. He made it look like he was, but did he ever actually look like he was going to overtake anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Davey had some personal problems last year which are fairly well known but for underperforming in crucial matches you have to look at PK , 2 points at home to Swindon, Lewis 0 away to Wolves and Beck only scored about 2 or 3 away to Poole so Davey is not the only one. Looking further afield there have been some poor performances at times by Bomber, Hans, Batch, Holder, to name a few and didn't even the World Champion only scored about 4 or 5 a week or so back, so howlers are hardly something uncommon amongst riders. Davy has his moments but still nobody can point to where he has done any worse than most other riders in various teams. if you want consistency you have to build a team around at least an 8.5 point rider and then it doesn't always work , but an 8.5 point rider at No 1 restricts your options lower down the order and that leads to other problems. The fact that PK is finding it hard to sort his bikes out and has dropped his average has put more weight on Davey's shoulders, and Lewis erratic form hasn't helped either, although he seems to be starting to get that sorted.. The plain fact is that what you get from Davey is what you will get from most 7 point riders. If they were more consistent they would be 8 point riders. Its just that a witch hunt has been started and people are jumping on the anti-Watt band wagon. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 That's because of Davey's home form.But if u have a just above seven pointer, then the norm is surely that they would average 8 at home and six and a halfish away? Its not like he is craig cook like in the disparity of his home and away displaysExcellent post ei addio. The other factor is that under the new format ALL heat leaders are going to have the odd shocker. Hence the accusations from some about tai and holder trying to drop their averages, and the fact that about one in three hl - at least - this season have come in gor criticism for scoring as anyone with a brain woukd expect - watt the latest victim of this it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Lakesides problem is that we haven't got a No1, so Hts13/15 are always going to be a problem. With a balanced team we pile on the points in the early heats, get hit with a TR, and struggle Hts13/15. IMO Watty & PK are doing their job (OK PK's having a rough spell), but we can't expect them to out-perform other teams in these heats, even 50% of the time Still like our team, and even though we won't win anything this year, I wouldn't swap any of them Exactly the reason why the Diamonds had a re-shuffle to bring in Danny King as an o.+ o no 1. Problem is we went from a strength in depth team ala. Lakeside to a top heavy one. At the moment most fans are unsure as to whether our team is really that much better than before, though we see glimmers of hope. In short, beware the clamour for change lest it bite you in your nether regions. Mind you, if your lot need some meat in their sandwich-what about wor Robbo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Lakeside are a strength in depth team as an end result, it was not planned out to be like that, PK and Davey were signed to lead the team from the front, not reduce themselves to being average seven point riders that take points off third heat leaders and second strings whilst constantly being out done by other teams top riders in the key final few heats, its only the form of Richard Lawson, Mikkel Bech and to an extent Lewis Bridger that is keeping this team up the higher end of the table. Like Falcon Hammer said this team will not win anything because they are not capable of finishing the job off against teams who choose to go down the top heavy route. (its why Cookie dislikes the tactical ride, teams like Lakeside are so vulnerable to it) A top heavy side will beat one of strength in depth any day of the week, that's been the case for many a year. Also whilst i like the new format in general unlike previous seasons when a strength in depth will have reserves and second strings swapping places and heat leaders and second strings swapping places, this one is so tied down, the reserves stay at reserve and because of the rolling averages a lesser performing heat leader does not get a chance to ride some so called easier races nor does a on form second string get to test himself against consistently better riders, Richard Lawson should be riding at a heat leader not a second string and likewise PK who is our 5th averaged rider should not be riding in a heat leader position. Do i think Richard Lawson could do the job of a heat leader in the Elite? not sure at all but he proved with his heat 15 at Poole there is more to come from him and he does not fear any opponent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Some one posted earlier that watty should worry about himself & not the other riders in the team, if he does that then you will be whinging that he isn't a team player! Yes watty loves Poole, but he also loves the hammers & he ain't riding for the money as the elite league in England don't really pay that much. DD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I think Davey is exactly like Cook dynamite at Home but poor Away. Problem is though Davey is not average 6.50 Away from Home. Watt away from Home: 13+1 in Brum, 6+1 in Lynn, 5 in Leic, 5 in Eastbourne, 11 in Wolves, 2 in Poole and 4 in BV. The Brum score was when Birmingham were getting battered every week with King average dropping and E. Kennett as a Heat Leader. The stats back that up based on 2014 Elite League matches only: Home average 8.27 - Away average 5.88 (all ex B/P's) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 The stats back that up based on 2014 Elite League matches only: Home average 8.27 - Away average 5.88 (all ex B/P's) Speedway is rife with 'homers', and Davey is one of them as your stats prove. Truly great riders can perform anywhere, with Darcy Ward being a great example of that.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 He ain't getting any younger and his EL league form becomes poorer year on year... I think it's probably time for Davy Watt to call it a day and retire....? or maybe 2015 could see Agent Watt ride for either PL or Poole ... ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Interesting reading the opinions from other fans. I cant see Davey being dropped for the time being so hopefully he will pick up his away form and prove me wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Speedway is rife with 'homers', and Davey is one of them as your stats prove. Truly great riders can perform anywhere, with Darcy Ward being a great example of that.. Good post. Davey always had a gap of around 2+ points between his home and away averages, even back in his Poole days, and as you say, many others do. In one sense averages are unimportant. What is more important is that everyone fires together on the away matches where there is a chance of taking something from the meeting. Lakesides problem this year is that there have been occasions where they could have got something from the meeting but someone has flopped very badly, not necessarily Davey. Even Mikkel Bech admitted that at the last Poole away meeting his head was in the wrong place. That will always happen at times when riders are riding almost every night of the week for 5 or 6 months. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I think you are all being a bit harsh on Davey, PK is not exactly setting the world alight but he doesn't get any abuse, neither have anything to prove and there is no chance of Davey getting back in the Poole team ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 PK is a legend.... and has earned respect Unfortunately Davy Watt has not! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 PK is a legend.... and has earned respect Unfortunately Davy Watt has not! He has got a lovely girlfriend though!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 PK is a legend.... and has earned respect Unfortunately Davy Watt has not! I think Davey has respect from alot of people within the sport, how can anyone achieve what pk has done without his ability. Pk has been an amazing rider and is a true gentleman but you cannot compare riders of different abilities. What I am saying is pk isnt producing the scores he should either but doesnt get any negative comments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Jepsen Jensen is the future, Why are having a 9 page discussion over Davey Watt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Jepsen Jensen is the future, Why are having a 9 page discussion over Davey Watt? Doh - because that is the title of the thread my cerebally challenged 'friend'. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southend Sid Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Jepsen Jensen is the future, Why are having a 9 page discussion over Davey Watt? Wow so Jespen Jensen is actually the 'future' do you measure history by speedway riders names as well or is it just the future (sorry Jespen Jensen ?? What name have you got for the 'battle of Hastings' ??? Actually I have a funny story for you JJR , my nan (god rest her sole) used to ice skate with JJ's nan, and when they met there husbands and JJ's grandfather they actually all fell over on the Ice together, and they got wet bottoms . My grandmother used to love telling that story.....JJR have you got any funny anecdotes about your grandparents?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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