teddy2706 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Maybe this has been discussed before, if so perhaps someone can point me in the right direction please? I apologise if I am going over an old topic. I have spoken to a few Scottish supporters about the impact a 'Yes' independance vote will have upon Glasgow and Edinburgh. Some seemed disconcerted at the question, others blase assuming nothing will change. If Scottish voters vote in favour of independance, will both teams be able to remain in British speedway? I would like to think that they can, but we have no German, Swedish or Polish teams riding in our leagues, would Scottish teams then be regarded as foreign? Similarly, can we assume that the ACU will have no jurisdiction over motorcycle sport in Scotland if independance is acheived? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 I don't think there's anything to stop any team riding in any country, providing it is approved by the local ruling authority (wasn't there a foreign side in one of the lower Polish leagues?) Having said that, If Scotland votes for independence it can **** off as far as I'm concerned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Plenty of examples of foreign teams riding in other leagues: Daugavpils(Latvia), Miskolc(Hungary), Rovno(Ukraine) have all ridden in Polish leagues Ukrainian teams have competed in Russian league Last year an Estonian team participated in the second league in Finland Zarnovicia(Slovakia) have competed in Czech team competitions Finnish teams have competed in lower leagues of Sweden Think there used to be a Dutch team in the German leagues, and Helzod of Belgium are competing in the new Dutch League. I assume the main impact would be separate FIM membership with Team GB becoming England once more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Cardiff City? Berwick Rangers? Storm in a teacup. SACU has been affiliated to ACU for years, would probably remain so. Not too long ago the Australian and New Zealand federations were similarly affiliated -- this was when Briggs, Mauger and Airey all raced for "England". In speedway, nothing will change. Except the Glasgow and Edinburgh supporters will probably become wealthier, and their speedways more-profitable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 It won't make any difference. Edinburgh and Glasgow will still be able to race in the Premier League, whether Scotland is independant or not. Not that it's going to happen, in any case. The union was formed for a reason, that reason still exists, in that England and Scotland are more powerful and stronger as a combined force. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 It won't make any difference. Edinburgh and Glasgow will still be able to race in the Premier League, whether Scotland is independant or not. Not that it's going to happen, in any case. The union was formed for a reason, that reason still exists, in that England and Scotland are more powerful and stronger as a combined force. All the best Rob Ooh Rob, "a little bit of politics there" as Ben Elton used to say (whatever happened to him ?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 There has been a French side in Rugby league's Superleague for some years now. I don't see how an independant Scottish team would be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 We seem to race each other about twice a month anyway , probably wouldn't notice the difference if we were in a league of two 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 If Scottish voters vote in favour of independance, will both teams be able to remain in British speedway? I would like to think that they can, but we have no German, Swedish or Polish teams riding in our leagues, would Scottish teams then be regarded as foreign? Similarly, can we assume that the ACU will have no jurisdiction over motorcycle sport in Scotland if independance is acheived? Many years ago, the ACU ran motorcycling throughout the Commonwealth, which is the historical origin of the likes of Mauger and Briggs riding in the British team. Conversely, I don't think it was ever responsible for Ireland, which has always been run under the all-Ireland MCUI. Berwick Rangers is based in England but plays in Scotland, whereas Gretna for many years played in English leagues. Several Welsh teams playing in English competitions to this day, and Derry City (Northern Ireland) play in the Republic League or Ireland. Loads of examples of speedway teams from one country racing in another national league, as others have pointed out. There's already a Scottish ACU which would likely affiliate directly to the FIM if independence came, but why would that preclude cross-border racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 We seem to race each other about twice a month anyway , probably wouldn't notice the difference if we were in a league of two At least you would finish runners -up if aScottish League was formed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 At least you would finish runners -up if aScottish League was formed. Runners up and wooden spoonists all at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 We seem to race each other about twice a month anyway , probably wouldn't notice the difference if we were in a league of two Paul, you could form a Scottish Superleague. They would be no restrictions on using riders already riding for English teams or elsewhere, so I would suggest teams of: Edinburgh Monarchs: 1. Craig Cook 2. Derek Sneddon 3. Two-track Tully 4. Rider replacement for THJ 5. The Fish 6. Aaron Fox 7. Bert Harkins Glasgow Tigers: 1. Tai Woffinden 2. Darcy Ward 3. Chris Holder 4. Niels-Kristian Iversen 5. Greg Hancock 6. Richard Lawson 7. Steve Lawson All the best Rob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Sports leagues are not political. They are private entities that can accept (or reject) entry from anyone they like. The biggest issue will relate to possible work permits. Will an Aussie riding for a Scottish speedway team need a Scottish and Eng/Wales/NI work permit too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) It probably mean I would have to allow time on my journey for delays at the Border Crossing Checkpoint and remember to renew my Passport in case we breakaway from Europe Edited May 15, 2014 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Glasgow and Edinburgh would hold a vote, as in parts of Ukraine, and stay as part of the U.K. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 The Scottish National Championship, qualification for the GPs and WTC will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Biggest problem could be getting used to seeing 2 different start times for the same meeting because if Scotland goes independent, it could well be the trigger for England & Wales to adopt Central European Time whereas Scotland (& Northern Ireland) have always been much more reluctant about doing that due to plenty of sunrises after 9am during the winter that far north or northwest. For example Berwick, despite being just a couple of miles inside England, draw plenty of supporters from the Scottish Borders towns inland so might end up advertising their meetings as 7pm local (6pm Scotland) to make sure the whole crowd turns up at the same time !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 The biggest problem for the Scottish teams in an Independent country is likely to be the currency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Would Scottish riders come in on a high asessed average as foreigners?Guess it isn't a big problem as there aren't many or any to be assesed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 When the Sweaties are independent, we will rebuild Hadrian's Wall, put the guns back in Berwick fortress, and revive the law that said that Scots could be shot on sight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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