screm Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 IMO, the ref is damned either way, he made the right call, but in the wrong scenario,,, he is human, (if being Scottish counts, lol ), and am sure he will stick to his guns about it,,, tough call, but he made it,,, what else can be done ???,,, do away with ref's and let the fans make all the desicion's ???,,, we could be in for some long nights and might need more medical cover,,, a dunno,,, As you say, he made the right choice, after that nothing else matter. I applaud the referee for making the right decision when the easy thing to do would've been to let all four return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 As you say, he made the right choice, after that nothing else matter. I applaud the referee for making the right decision when the easy thing to do would've been to let all four return. and then the ref would have to live with the fact that, he himself, was duping the public and not upholding the the rules,,, some ref he would be then, eh ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 One of the key reasons why speedway is struggling to survive is that at league level, it's largely forgotten how to put on a show. The referee had a choice to call a rerun with all four and give a large crowd a proper climax to the meeting or to disqualify, p[rove a point and destroy the meeting. Having seen the clip many referees would have gone for the first option. Sadly, for the sport as a whole he didn't. Sometimes, sometimes you HAVE to look at the bigger picture. Why kill the final unless you absolutely are forced to? what a ludicrous statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 It was the Premier League Pairs, not the Grand Prix. Sometimes the need to put on a show outranks the result. There is a chance riders might abuse it but it's one worth taking. In any case, it was perfectly within the rules to call an unsatisfactory start. what a load of rubbish. speedway is a sport if you want to watch a "show" go watch wrestling. Speedway already cops enough flack for some of its mickey mouse rules, jokers, tacticals etc and if refs start swaying judgement because it might ruin the show it will be the final nail in the coffin 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 there seems to be a lot of somerset supporters on here voicing their opinion about the result of the final or maybe they dont like the fact that the best pair won on the night.. .rules are rules. it would be the same for everyone. if your team got put out , its tough. its the nature of the sport. good decision by jim mc( A SCOT) . why should we change the rules for a televised meeting... it is what it is..speedway.. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Although a disappointing decision it was the correct one.I still feel disappointed in the holder /pederson clash when holder became wc.he should have gone.the ref used common sense but it was still the wrong decision. Who was the ref that night btw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 So if Max had bust the tapes in the Final rather than his first ride, should he have been allowed another go from level with the others? Because it was the Final and we don't want to spoil the spectacle? What a load of cobblers. Rules is rules. Praise to the ref first making a decision rather than taking the easy option of all 4 back. Some barmy posts in this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Quite frankly, such is the state of vegetative minds that dominate this discredited forum it's actually water off a duck's back to get the garbage that has been hurled at me since my posting. As usual people have been asked to think and have failed dismally. My comment was that the referee had discretion whether or not to exclude. That doesn't come from uninformed terrace bull but experience of standing alongside countless refs over the years and watching what they did. No matter what you want to be the truth he could have restarted the race with a\ll four riders and given a satisfactory sporting conclusion to the event. And those idiots who think that they've never seen a 'show' at speedway or other sports they really are naiive. I kept out of debates here in disgust at the content and the ineptitude of the mods. Thank you all for reminding me that I should have stayed away. I try to give an insight based on over forty years of involvement in the sport. You really aren't worth bothering keyboard time on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 That is not down to home track advantage a lot of these scores are that the teams are beaten before the start just like the Danes where always beaten as soon as they took a look at the size of the County Ground and it's steal plate fence How can there be track advantage when the rebels have only won the title once since the start Maybe because their away form was crap during the other seasons. They get so used to the flat out OTA that they struggle on the technical tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Quite frankly, such is the state of vegetative minds that dominate this discredited forum it's actually water off a duck's back to get the garbage that has been hurled at me since my posting. As usual people have been asked to think and have failed dismally. My comment was that the referee had discretion whether or not to exclude. That doesn't come from uninformed terrace bull but experience of standing alongside countless refs over the years and watching what they did. No matter what you want to be the truth he could have restarted the race with a\ll four riders and given a satisfactory sporting conclusion to the event. And those idiots who think that they've never seen a 'show' at speedway or other sports they really are naiive. I kept out of debates here in disgust at the content and the ineptitude of the mods. Thank you all for reminding me that I should have stayed away. I try to give an insight based on over forty years of involvement in the sport. You really aren't worth bothering keyboard time on. Please do us all a favour and stay away for good. Your continual insults hurled at anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you are tiresome and unwelcome. Yes the moderators are obviously inept as they have failed to suspend your account. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 My comment was that the referee had discretion whether or not to exclude. That doesn't come from uninformed terrace bull but experience of standing alongside countless refs over the years and watching what they did. No matter what you want to be the truth he could have restarted the race with a\ll four riders and given a satisfactory sporting conclusion to the event. The ref got the decision spot on and that is not from uninformed terrace bull as you state but sitting alongside my granddad at meetings who was a ref for many many years. As Morris went down without any contact as the tv replays showed and it wasn't first bend bunching there was only one decision to be made. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Quite frankly, such is the state of vegetative minds that dominate this discredited forum it's actually water off a duck's back to get the garbage that has been hurled at me since my posting. As usual people have been asked to think and have failed dismally. My comment was that the referee had discretion whether or not to exclude. That doesn't come from uninformed terrace bull but experience of standing alongside countless refs over the years and watching what they did. No matter what you want to be the truth he could have restarted the race with a\ll four riders and given a satisfactory sporting conclusion to the event. And those idiots who think that they've never seen a 'show' at speedway or other sports they really are naiive. I kept out of debates here in disgust at the content and the ineptitude of the mods. Thank you all for reminding me that I should have stayed away. I try to give an insight based on over forty years of involvement in the sport. You really aren't worth bothering keyboard time on. Yet another Goodbye ...you get abused because you talk garbage . You never pick up much in 40 years of speedway that's for sure . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 wheres the anger? no frustration at all! i suggest you go back and read my posts on here where i say i wanted Edinburgh to win or you just going to pick on the bits that suit you. the simple fact is it was the wrong decision as many ex and current riders agree or are they all wrong as well?[/] You mentioned you wanted Edinburgh to win once Ipswich were out in a completely seperate post, which was not the one I quoted (which is incredible as you think the majority of their fans are jumped up and clowns?!?!) Whether the decision was right, or wrong, the referee made it, and does that give you the right to call people with a different view to yours so called speedway fans, idiots, jumped up, and clowns? I am not even going to debate whether the decision was correct, as it has been made, and can't be changed now, but your petty name calling is really quite sad, and pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Quite frankly, such is the state of vegetative minds that dominate this discredited forum it's actually water off a duck's back to get the garbage that has been hurled at me since my posting. As usual people have been asked to think and have failed dismally. My comment was that the referee had discretion whether or not to exclude. That doesn't come from uninformed terrace bull but experience of standing alongside countless refs over the years and watching what they did. No matter what you want to be the truth he could have restarted the race with a\ll four riders and given a satisfactory sporting conclusion to the event. And those idiots who think that they've never seen a 'show' at speedway or other sports they really are naiive. I kept out of debates here in disgust at the content and the ineptitude of the mods. Thank you all for reminding me that I should have stayed away. I try to give an insight based on over forty years of involvement in the sport. You really aren't worth bothering keyboard time on. What a pompous, petulant, retort to those who disagreed with your view. IIRC your involvement in Speedway, includes journalistic contributions ? If correct, as you are labelling some on here as "idiots", in view of your inability to spell the word "naive" correctly, would that categorise your good self as "semi-literate" 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Quite frankly, such is the state of vegetative minds that dominate this discredited forum it's actually water off a duck's back to get the garbage that has been hurled at me since my posting. As usual people have been asked to think and have failed dismally. My comment was that the referee had discretion whether or not to exclude. That doesn't come from uninformed terrace bull but experience of standing alongside countless refs over the years and watching what they did. No matter what you want to be the truth he could have restarted the race with a\ll four riders and given a satisfactory sporting conclusion to the event. And those idiots who think that they've never seen a 'show' at speedway or other sports they really are naiive. I kept out of debates here in disgust at the content and the ineptitude of the mods. Thank you all for reminding me that I should have stayed away. I try to give an insight based on over forty years of involvement in the sport. You really aren't worth bothering keyboard time on. My god you get in a strop if ppl don't agree with you don't you. Take your ball and piss off then, don't let door hit you on the way out. Edited July 13, 2014 by Dekker 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Quite frankly, such is the state of vegetative minds that dominate this discredited forum it's actually water off a duck's back to get the garbage that has been hurled at me since my posting. As usual people have been asked to think and have failed dismally. My comment was that the referee had discretion whether or not to exclude. That doesn't come from uninformed terrace bull but experience of standing alongside countless refs over the years and watching what they did. No matter what you want to be the truth he could have restarted the race with a\ll four riders and given a satisfactory sporting conclusion to the event. And those idiots who think that they've never seen a 'show' at speedway or other sports they really are naiive. I kept out of debates here in disgust at the content and the ineptitude of the mods. Thank you all for reminding me that I should have stayed away. I try to give an insight based on over forty years of involvement in the sport. You really aren't worth bothering keyboard time on. Christ. are you still here ? I thought you'd flounced off somewhere a few months back. Yawn yawn...two bob commentator....we get it. We really do. Tom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Although a disappointing decision it was the correct one.I still feel disappointed in the holder /pederson clash when holder became wc.he should have gone.the ref used common sense but it was still the wrong decision. Who was the ref that night btw Craig Ackroyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Quote from Jim McGregor "Morris came down on his own, there was no contact with Fricke, and as it happened on the second bend I had to make a decision, which was a clear cut one." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 I didnt see the meeting so cant comment on the rights and wrongs of the exclusion. Going with the football comparison we have seen instances where players have missed finals after a yellow card in the semis, Roy Keane missing the champions league final after recieving a yellow Against Juventus for example. But in that case the squad is utilised and a replacement player is brought into the team, albeit a lesser player. That isnt available in speedway and in the case of the pairs the final was over before tapes up. So given the referee cant overlook an exclusion just to give the fans a race would it not be possible for example to have put Morris off 15 meters? Or perhaps have a reserve rider who can be used in the case of exclusions to at least put four riders in a race and avert instances like Friday? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springdale Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Quote from Jim McGregor "Morris came down on his own, there was no contact with Fricke, and as it happened on the second bend I had to make a decision, which was a clear cut one." But the move started on the first bend with Fricke taking Morris wider & wider and finally straightened up which left Morris nowhere to go, and he had to come down, I am a neutral here but I think the Ref had the option to make it all four back, so after 4 guys racing their hearts out all night, let it be the best TEAM win and the fans get to see a proper final and not an anti climax to the meeting. There is also something in the rules about riders have to race, even when they have already won, the Ref didn't do anything about that, again total inconsistencies by some Refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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