ruffdiamond Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I don't agree with you. Nick had absolutely nowhere to go, now, for the sake of the race, and the meeting which was killed dead as a spectical, he should have given all four back. Please read my next sentance, if it had happened on the 1st lap 3-4th turn then fair enough, there would have been absolutely no complaints from anybody. If Edinbourgh had have gone on to win it then, then good luck to them. Nothing biased about that, just plain common sense. Another reason why fans are getting pee'd off with speedway after paying good money to get in, not forgetting travelling expense's etc. The Referee would have had many replays given Sky was their, we have a sponsor at poole, they go by the name of SPECSAVERS, i would suggest he pays them a visitation.. sure there would be something, or someone, lol,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I don't agree with you. Nick had absolutely nowhere to go, now, for the sake of the race, and the meeting which was killed dead as a spectical, he should have given all four back. Please read my next sentance, if it had happened on the 1st lap 3-4th turn then fair enough, there would have been absolutely no complaints from anybody. If Edinbourgh had have gone on to win it then, then good luck to them. Nothing biased about that, just plain common sense. Another reason why fans are getting pee'd off with speedway after paying good money to get in, not forgetting travelling expense's etc. The Referee would have had many replays given Sky was their, we have a sponsor at poole, they go by the name of SPECSAVERS, i would suggest he pays them a visitation.. Your dead right Starman, it was like watching a good movie but then having a power failure with 5 minutes to go. Anyone with common sense would have put all four back.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Was MCgegor the ref?? I would have excluded Morris but it's all about opinion, the fairy tale ending to a meeting should make no difference to a refs decision Edited July 12, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Your dead right Starman, it was like watching a good movie but then having a power failure with 5 minutes to go. Anyone with common sense would have put all four back.. is there a sub section, 'use your common sense' in the rule book, maybe there should be,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Your dead right Starman, it was like watching a good movie but then having a power failure with 5 minutes to go. Don't think it is like that.It might be more like watching a movie and wishing the end was somehow different to the one the Director chose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Was MCgegor the ref?? I Where does the Ref come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 and where was the meeting ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Not winning? lay it down? get a re race all 4 back? You can not do that!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Where does the Ref come from? the MC should give you a clue.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 the MC should give you a clue.. Hmm, funny that !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Morris got himself into no-mans land, as he admitted in his interview he tried to get over Fricke but Fricke had gated well and Morris caused the initial problem by leaning into Fricke. Fricke was ahead and was obviously going to go for the dirt line and Morris made the wrong decision to keep going for the same line as Fricke. There was only one decision that could be made and the ref made it, Morris was the cause of the stoppage. It was clear from Nick's interview that he knew he had made the wrong decision as he had no real complaint to make. I think he even upset Tatum because he didn't have an angry reaction !! It's a shame that the meeting ended that way, but rules are rules. If all 4 back had been called and Somerset had won then Edinburgh could have justifiably have felt aggrieved. In the rerun there was always a chance that one of the Edinburgh pair could have suffered an engine failure and then been lapped and a different result could have happened. Congratulations to Edinburgh even without Cooke they still won it, a superb performance ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Can't believe that people on here call themselves speedway fans. The correct decision would have been all 4 back. Watch the race again. Fricke goes wide but leaves Morris plenty of room. Fricke then straightens up as he is about to exit the bend and in turn ends up leaving Morris no room. NOBODY'S FAULT. People saying Morris laid it down obviously don't have any idea. What was he supposed to do just ride into the air fence! I agree that it doesn't matter what meeting it is the correct decision needs to be made but that was quite clearly a racing incident that warranted all 4 back. I keep reading the idiots who say that it wasn't first bend. I suggest you read and learn the rules. I wasn't worried who won but the exclusion was wrong. Nice to see the jumped up Monarchs fans on here total clowns the majority of them bailed out! After Fricke straightened up was he supposed to just ride into the air fence? He was ready to ride round Fricke and in a split second was forced towards the fence. Of course he had to get off it. Call themselves speedway fans, idiots, jumped up Monarchs fans, total clowns the majority of them.The "keyboard warrior" strikes again!!! lol Reading your posts always make me laugh, as you can sense the anger, and frustration that go into writing them!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTM Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Haven't read rule book lately but I think there is an entry which reads no recall for all 4 back after 40 mtrs. I stand to be corrected but I know this has been mentioned before and I can,t remember in over 40 yrs of watching and working in Speedway any race where all 4 have been invited back from that far around 2nd bend it normally results in an exc for someone. Edited July 12, 2014 by FTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 The final could've been an anti-climax for a number of reasons.... tape touching/ fall on 4th bend / fall on 2nd 3rd or 4th lap/ engine failures/ sudden downpour etc etc. The point is it was a great meeting otherwise so everyone should be happy, obviously Rebels' fans aren't but a similar incident could've happened anywhere in the meeting, and they might not have even reached the final. What happened, happened - so live with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Big well done to the Monarchs pairing, followed this meeting on updates and it looked like Masters/Fricke just got better as the meeting wore on!! Would like to see that exclusion at some point as it appears to be quite a bone of contention, seemingly overtaken the actual racing itself? When I saw that exclusion on the updates I kinda knew Edinburgh wouldn't do much, they didn't need to, the scoring system is designed to give each heat a definite result and as four for the win wont "win" you the race on your own Somerset had no chance, tough on them but that's sod's law for you? Great effort by Josh/Rene, did about as well as could be expected I thought just came up against two men on a mission in the semi, joint third, yeah, I'll take that, well done guys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 That's a bit like saying in soccer football the referee should not send anyone off in a cup final. The only thing that is wrong is that there is no consistency by referees. Actually there's been quite a few instances in the World Cup where a player has been on a yellow card and committed a second bookable offence, and the referee has chosen not to book him because to do so would mean having to harshly send him off. The commentators usually say "that would be a booking but the referee has applied common sense to avoid a harsh sending off". McGregor made the right decision under normal circumstances, but in the situation of a 4,3,2,0 scoring system he perhaps should have applied commonsense to avoid spoiling the climax in the same way that a football referee will apply commonsense to avoid a game changing harsh sending off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Fair enough lets award the meeting to one of the clubs not represented. Except remind me why we have wildcards in the GP again? Though on reflection the PL fans WILL go and support their teams anywhere, so yes agreed. in an ideal world that would work, but Somerset do not have home track advantage, in fact the OTA is the fairest track in British speedway and the location of the OTA makes it the perfect venue to hold the pairs the night before the Cardiff GP, there is more than ample parking for cars and there is plenty of room for your caravan and from what was printed in this weeks Speedway Star there is also a coach service from the OTA to Cardiff if you want to make full use of the facilities to make a weekend of it. I believe that this is a perfect partnership between The BSI, The BSPA & the Somerset promotion to provide the speedway fans with a tailor made weekend of speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Firstly congratulations to the Monarchs who had their second and third riders riding good on them.It was not deemed an unsatisfactory start as the red lights did not come on so if the race is stopped there has to be an exclusion as i see it regardless how many spectators present or tv viewers.Never please all the people all the time i enjoyed the racing great track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hutcheson Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Actually there's been quite a few instances in the World Cup where a player has been on a yellow card and committed a second bookable offence, and the referee has chosen not to book him because to do so would mean having to harshly send him off. The commentators usually say "that would be a booking but the referee has applied common sense to avoid a harsh sending off". McGregor made the right decision under normal circumstances, but in the situation of a 4,3,2,0 scoring system he perhaps should have applied commonsense to avoid spoiling the climax in the same way that a football referee will apply commonsense to avoid a game changing harsh sending off. And that's correct? Surely a player on a yellow has to have accountability for a second bookable offence. The ref didn't make a silly tackle or like in this case, go up a blind alley with nowhere to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Call themselves speedway fans, idiots, jumped up Monarchs fans, total clowns the majority of them. The "keyboard warrior" strikes again!!! lol Reading your posts always make me laugh, as you can sense the anger, and frustration that go into writing them!!! lol wheres the anger? no frustration at all! i suggest you go back and read my posts on here where i say i wanted Edinburgh to win or you just going to pick on the bits that suit you. the simple fact is it was the wrong decision as many ex and current riders agree or are they all wrong as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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