DexterBeauregarde Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Went an enjoyed the pairs last night, drove from Devon in route to Cardiff. I must say it was lovely to meet so many familiar faces from the world of speedway but what was so disappointing was the lack of support from Plymouth. i know the Demons were riding but come on please... Its like watching Scunthorpe (no offence intended). when the legend Dick Barrie asked who was from Plymouth it was embarrassing. that said great to see so many from edinburger and redcar. A truly enjoyable meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Giving the pairing Plymouth had last night it shouldn't be the biggest surprise that so few Plymouth fans turned up. Dick Barrie, legend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 When your luck's in - your luck's in. Well done to Edinburgh but the referee decided where the silverware went and there was no need for the exclusion. As pointed out above, Fricke straightened up coming off the bend leaving Morris with no option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 There was probably more Plymouth fans than diamonds fans last night which was poor really considering the hundreds of diamonds fans who will be there today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I've seen it a few times, once to Glasgow, when both opposition riders were excluded leaving the two Glasgow riders to race each other. The rider in 2nd just hung back and tootled around. By lap 2 his exclusion light was in, as he was deemed not to have been racing. Just saying like. I remember at an indoor meeting on a surface that was fairly dangerous,there was only 1 rider left in a heat and he poodled round and was excluded for not trying!!!!!Then again at another meeting there was a run-off in which both riders agreed on tactics and just went round wheelying for 4 laps and the ref done nothing.Half the fans thought it was the best thing they have ever seen and the other half were a bit annoyed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 No rule re an exclusion for not racing anymore so no chance for a Monarchs exclusion and rightly so. In the debate about the decision I failed to congratulate the Monarchs. Well done to Masters and Fricke. They showed why they have as a team produced the string of wins this season battling through when it looked stacked against them and then taking the opportunity that arose. I could argue that I didnt agree with the exclusion in the final but one thing I would never argue is that Edinburgh werent deserving winners. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Talking about silverware, absolutely hated those bloody great cups they gave the winners and runners up, not much thought gone into them BSPA! And that huge cup, is that perpetual? Let's add something else too, the podium was too small (should have a proper Pairs one after all these years) and it looked like it was plonked in the middle of the centre green, couldn't a flag or two have been put up beside it to add to the spectacle or perhaps something on the ground, ought to have got the sponsors logo sprayed on the grass like they do on football pitches perhaps? Just saying ........ Edited July 12, 2014 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Totally correct decision, certain Somerset fans crying like babies . The monarchs did absolutely the right thing in letting Allen go in the final, any one with half a brain can know that....not trying my arse. Morris had 4 laps to try pass but bailed out straight away. Well done Edinburgh. I'm not crying like a baby at all, my opinion that's all. As other people have said not trying has resulted in disqualification before and those two where about half a lap behind, dawdling. I paid my money like everyone else to watch riders fo their job in once again a race thats the where riders try and don't dawdle at the back. I'm sorry if it comes across as arrogant or bitter it is purely not. Edited July 12, 2014 by rebelwonderkid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I'm not crying like a baby at all, my opinion that's all. As other people have said not trying has resulted in disqualification before and those two where about half a lap behind, dawdling. I paid my money like everyone else to watch riders fo their job in once again a race thats the where riders try and don't dawdle at the back. I'm sorry if it comes across as arrogant or bitter it is purely not.any team, any rider, anywhere in the world would do the same, surely you agree?? Can't believe that people on here call themselves speedway fans. The correct decision would have been all 4 back. Watch the race again. Fricke goes wide but leaves Morris plenty of room. Fricke then straightens up as he is about to exit the bend and in turn ends up leaving Morris no room. NOBODY'S FAULT. People saying Morris laid it down obviously don't have any idea. What was he supposed to do just ride into the air fence! I agree that it doesn't matter what meeting it is the correct decision needs to be made but that was quite clearly a racing incident that warranted all 4 back. I keep reading the idiots who say that it wasn't first bend. I suggest you read and learn the rules. I wasn't worried who won but the exclusion was wrong. Nice to see the jumped up Monarchs fans on here total clowns the majority of them bailed out! After Fricke straightened up was he supposed to just ride into the air fence? He was ready to ride round Fricke and in a split second was forced towards the fence. Of course he had to get off it. rubbish!! The throttle works both ways, his own daft fault IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idh Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Best Pairs Photo's http://ihitchcock.zenfolio.com/best_pairs_2014 Slideshow http://ihitchcock.zenfolio.com/best_pairs_2014/slideshow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Read the comments from current and ex riders on twitter and they all agree it was the wrong decision. It was nothing to do with what event it was. It was all 4 back no arguments. If people cant see Fricke straightened up leaving Morris 2 options - get off or hit the air fence - then you need your eyes testing. Morris couldnt shut off at that point as Fricke had left him enough room but by the time he straightened the gap was shut. Its not sour grapes from me. I wanted Edinburgh to win (once Ipswich went out) as they were the most exciting team on the night. Doesnt detract from the fact it was the wrong call. As for not trying what do people expect them to do? Not going to bust a gut and go in the fence though Fricke did try on bends 3 and 4 on the opening lap! any team, any rider, anywhere in the world would do the same, surely you agree??rubbish!! The throttle works both ways, his own daft fault IMO. it does work both ways but by the time Fricke had straightened which launched him towards Morris the gap had shut leaving him no option at that point. As i said i wanted Edinburgh to win as they were the most entertaining plus i dont like seing the home team win on any event as i believe it should be a neutral track. I satnd by my opinion that Fricke left Morris plenty of room until he straightened up leaving Nick nowhere to go. Not Frickes fault and not Morris fault - all 4 back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Can I just say massive congrats to Edinburgh Monarchs. The final was spoiled. But what a Top Man Nick Morris is. Truly proffesional hold your head up high lad. Magregor hang yours in shame you ruined a cracking final. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Went an enjoyed the pairs last night, drove from Devon in route to Cardiff. I must say it was lovely to meet so many familiar faces from the world of speedway but what was so disappointing was the lack of support from Plymouth. i know the Demons were riding but come on please... Its like watching Scunthorpe (no offence intended). when the legend Dick Barrie asked who was from Plymouth it was embarrassing. that said great to see so many from edinburger and redcar. A truly enjoyable meeting. Perhaps the Plymouth fans had read the opinion of many who posted on the BSF stating that the pairing was poor and and questioning whether they should be taking part? Perhaps the Plymouth fans can only afford one journey this weekend and it will be to the GP? Perhaps they were watching the meeting on Sky? Perhaps the Plymouth fans were unaware of how disappointed you were going to be at their absence? You will be one of the Devils On Tour then? Pleased that you enjoyed a very entertaining meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Read the comments from current and ex riders on twitter and they all agree it was the wrong decision. It was nothing to do with what event it was. It was all 4 back no arguments. If people cant see Fricke straightened up leaving Morris 2 options - get off or hit the air fence - then you need your eyes testing. If Fricke straightened up and cause Morris to get off then surely then Fricke should have been the one who was excluded rather than all four back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 any team, any rider, anywhere in the world would do the same, surely you agree??rubbish!! The throttle works both ways, his own daft fault IMO. Yes I'm not disagreeing with that but its wrong. Say Masters or Fricke had a retirement? I certainly think that fans would have moaned about not trying then wouldn't you? Surely you have to agree that it smacks of rubbing salt in the wound? as I'm sure would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hutcheson Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Yes I'm not disagreeing with that but its wrong. Say Masters or Fricke had a retirement? I certainly think that fans would have moaned about not trying then wouldn't you? Surely you have to agree that it smacks of rubbing salt in the wound? as I'm sure would be the same. Why is it rubbing salt into the wound? The riders are paid to win meetings, finishing 2nd/3rd in the pairs guarantees that. So with Morris' exclusion, they were doing exactly what they are paid to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogero Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 i've been watching speedway for 54 years. I'm now 59. In all that time I've tried endlessly to convince newbies that speedway is great. I have probably introduced over 400 people to the sport. Plymouth, Exeter, Reading, Oxford, Weymouth, Poole, Swindon and Wimbledon have been tracks that I have visited/supported regularly. (Note that 4 of those are no longer around). I've emailed and called 15 people who are long time supporters regarding last night's pairs. At this time 8 have responded and 7 stated that the ref's decision was wrong/seriously flawed. Just because I've been a massive speedway fan for 54 years doesn't give my opinion any greater weight or validity. However, when you encourage over 20 people to watch The Pairs at your local rugby club and that happens you start to wonder what the hell is going on with my beloved sport. The newbies heard my view (and that of another regular speedway fan) plus the views of the Sky commentators and reacted with the following comments: 'Micky Mouse Sport', 'What an anti-climax', 'You watch that rubbish', 'Rigged', 'So, we've wasted 2 hours, have we?' The referee made what some people have said was a brave decision. I totally disagree. It would not have been brave to have all 4 back, it would have been totally and utterly fair, sensible and above all an understandable decision (a) because it was a 50-50 decision at best and ( for the greater good of the sport. Looking back at previous topics and posts last night's referee crops up regularly .... as I've not seen the decisions referred to that were allegedly wrong I can't really comment. But, if there is a terns the guys needs re-assessing. I've tried and tried to get new supporters to the sport and time and time again it is its own worst enemy. Yes, great racing by guys committed to get to the final and a final that is a farce. Full respect to the Edinburgh guys. I wonder would Edinburgh have protested too much if all 4 were put back in? From what I know of Edinburgh I would like to think that they wouldn't have. I am sat here dejected about my favourite sport. Imagine a penalty shoot out for the World Cup Final tomorrow night where the final deciding penalty taker is prevented from taking his penalty because of gamesmanship with the keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Correct decision by the ref, no contact was made. Just because it's on TV doesn't make it right to put all 4 back. Maybe if the TV cameras weren't there it would have been all 4 back as the ref wouldn't have had the replays to watch but only a maybe. Concerning the neutral venue maybe they should move it to Swindon on the Sunday following the gp. Somerset get too much of a home advantage. Always thought with them being shared events that the EL events should be on PL tracks and vice versa. The British final should be held at Poole as they never go for British riders. Tai is good enough to win it without home track advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) No rule re an exclusion for not racing anymore so no chance for a Monarchs exclusion and rightly so. In the debate about the decision I failed to congratulate the Monarchs. Well done to Masters and Fricke. They showed why they have as a team produced the string of wins this season battling through when it looked stacked against them and then taking the opportunity that arose. I could argue that I didnt agree with the exclusion in the final but one thing I would never argue is that Edinburgh werent deserving winners. Yes indeed The decision in the Final will have it's fors and againsts and a shame it detracted from a decent meeting. By the way, well done Redcar, this coming after a dismal display against Berwick 24 hours eralier! Edited July 12, 2014 by Catch Me If You Can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) I'd have been gutted if it was t'other way round..but It was the correct decision and the only decision he could make.Was he supposed to say 'oh,i'll forget all about the rule book and let him back in the race because it will upset the crowd and make lousy television if i do disqualify him'?!Nah i don't think so Starman and i suspect some of the bitter guff by some people on here know that in their heart of hearts.. I'm not going to apologise for being happy my team deservedly won either.. so well done to Max & Sam... I don't agree with you. Nick had absolutely nowhere to go, now, for the sake of the race, and the meeting which was killed dead as a spectical, he should have given all four back. Please read my next sentance, if it had happened on the 1st lap 3-4th turn then fair enough, there would have been absolutely no complaints from anybody. If Edinbourgh had have gone on to win it then, then good luck to them. Nothing biased about that, just plain common sense. Another reason why fans are getting pee'd off with speedway after paying good money to get in, not forgetting travelling expense's etc. The Referee would have had many replays given Sky was their, we have a sponsor at poole, they go by the name of SPECSAVERS, i would suggest he pays them a visitation.. Edited July 12, 2014 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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