SomersetBlue Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 A very purist view, but Monarchs did try - they tried to win a trophy and succeeded. If Rebels had done the same would you have dismissed that triumph? I have already answered your question by saying i would not watch my team if they didn't try. Monarchs did well after heat two. In that final heat though they did not try at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieE Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Just watched the meeting on tv. Got to say I thought it was a fantastic meeting with some cracking races. Found the Sheffield pairing particular funny to watch with kerb crawler Lanham getting in Steady's way all the time! That Heat 20 was great to watch, almost thought Lanham was going to claim a surprise win but ended up getting passed by Fricke on the line. The final was ruined by the referee though, absolutely shocking decision in my opinion and once again speedway shooting itself in the foot with its pettiness and complete and utter lack of any common sense. Let the riders decide it on the track! I had money on Edinburgh to win and even I was disappointed with the outcome in that manner! Edited July 12, 2014 by JamieE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hutcheson Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Just watched the meeting on tv. Got to say I thought it was a fantastic meeting with some cracking races. Found the Sheffield pairing particular funny to watch with kerb crawler Lanham getting in Steady's way all the time! That Heat 20 was great to watch, almost thought Lanham was going to claim a surprise win but ended up getting passed by Fricke on the line. The final was ruined by the referee though, absolutely shocking decision in my opinion and once again speedway shooting itself in the foot with its pettiness and complete and utter lack of any common sense. Let the riders decide it on the track! I had money on Edinburgh to win and even I was disappointed with the outcome in that manner! The rider decided by putting his bike down and causing the race to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Are people now really claiming Nick Morris went down on purpose? Its one thing to argue he fell off and the referee was right to exclude him but to suggest he three it down is madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Are people now really claiming Nick Morris went down on purpose? Its one thing to argue he fell off and the referee was right to exclude him but to suggest he three it down is madness. I can't see anybody who has said he did it on purpose. However, he had other options open to him - instead of trying to manufacture a space that wasn't there he could have shut off the throttle and attempted another line. Instead he found out there was no space to go and therefore had to put the bike down. I watched the match on Sky and there was no contact between the riders just a running out of space. The rider in front has the line to ride is the rule that governs space and the lack of it - so the fact that Morris suddenly found out he didn't have any was his own fault. That being said I think Jim McGregor is easily the worst referee in speedway. Being a Newcastle fan I have seen him taint more meetings than I care to remember. I would also state that it was a hugely unfair advantage for Somerset having the meeting held at their own track. Had the meeting been staged at Brough Park I'm sure Newcastle would have fared better. These blue ribbond events should be staged at neutral venues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I can't see anybody who has said he did it on purpose. However, he had other options open to him - instead of trying to manufacture a space that wasn't there he could have shut off the throttle and attempted another line. Instead he found out there was no space to go and therefore had to put the bike down. I watched the match on Sky and there was no contact between the riders just a running out of space. The rider in front has the line to ride is the rule that governs space and the lack of it - so the fact that Morris suddenly found out he didn't have any was his own fault. That being said I think Jim McGregor is easily the worst referee in speedway. Being a Newcastle fan I have seen him taint more meetings than I care to remember. I would also state that it was a hugely unfair advantage for Somerset having the meeting held at their own track. Had the meeting been staged at Brough Park I'm sure Newcastle would have fared better. These blue ribbond events should be staged at neutral venues. While I like the idea of a neutral venue, just which allegedly Elite league track would risk exposing their fans to real competitive speedway racing? In fact, would the average EL fan even recognise it in relation to their own product. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 While I like the idea of a neutral venue, just which allegedly Elite league track would risk exposing their fans to real competitive speedway racing? In fact, would the average EL fan even recognise it in relation to their own product. There were Premier League clubs who weren't present 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 For someone that was going to argue all night it seems that Rebel Kid is off to bed, looks like it's up to us Smug ones to fill this thread now - anyone want to join my Jim McGregor fan club?? Erm, lets think here. That would be a no to the hand jiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 There were Premier League clubs who weren't present Scunthorpe would have been good for the pairs this year as a neutral venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 There were Premier League clubs who weren't present Fair enough lets award the meeting to one of the clubs not represented. Except remind me why we have wildcards in the GP again? Though on reflection the PL fans WILL go and support their teams anywhere, so yes agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 A referee who I would suspect is now 'persona non grata' to the Sky regime. Just listen to the commentators, condemnation abounds. Did he poss.in his defence forget how the scoring system worked on that particular night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 While I like the idea of a neutral venue, just which allegedly Elite league track would risk exposing their fans to real competitive speedway racing? In fact, would the average EL fan even recognise it in relation to their own product. Good job you put that smilie at the end! Some EL clubs are double treble PL champs so know exactly what the PL Is all about! :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Scunthorpe would have been good for the pairs this year as a neutral venue. Only neutral if they don't qualify,but we all know why the pairs is at somerset after the bspa stiffed tim stone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Totally correct decision, certain Somerset fans crying like babies . The monarchs did absolutely the right thing in letting Allen go in the final, any one with half a brain can know that....not trying my arse. Morris had 4 laps to try pass but bailed out straight away. Well done Edinburgh. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Only person to blame is Morris, referee made the right and only call. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 9 times out 10 if a rider go's down without any contact then he get's kick out like Morris did here . At no time Was Morris in Front so the other rider could choose his line as well . in the cold light of day the ref made a very brave and correct call the fact that it was a final with the tv there and a big crowd should never sway that . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Haven't read the thread all the way through but I`m guessing the exclusion of Morris is the main taking point, IMO perfectly correct decision, just because its a Pairs Final shouldn't mean there is a new set of rules and shame on Nigel Pearson for suggesting other wise. Yes it made the Final an anti-climax but Morris was rightly excluded. Another decent advert for PL racing with lots of good racing on one of the best tracks in the PL. Congratulations to Edinburgh on their win and to Somerset Speedway on putting on an excellent meeting I hope they host the PL Pairs for many seasons to come. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Can't believe that people on here call themselves speedway fans. The correct decision would have been all 4 back. Watch the race again. Fricke goes wide but leaves Morris plenty of room. Fricke then straightens up as he is about to exit the bend and in turn ends up leaving Morris no room. NOBODY'S FAULT. People saying Morris laid it down obviously don't have any idea. What was he supposed to do just ride into the air fence! I agree that it doesn't matter what meeting it is the correct decision needs to be made but that was quite clearly a racing incident that warranted all 4 back. I keep reading the idiots who say that it wasn't first bend. I suggest you read and learn the rules. I wasn't worried who won but the exclusion was wrong. Nice to see the jumped up Monarchs fans on here total clowns the majority of them Totally correct decision, certain Somerset fans crying like babies .The monarchs did absolutely the right thing in letting Allen go in the final, any one with half a brain can know that....not trying my arse.Morris had 4 laps to try pass but bailed out straight away.Well done Edinburgh.bailed out! After Fricke straightened up was he supposed to just ride into the air fence? He was ready to ride round Fricke and in a split second was forced towards the fence. Of course he had to get off it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetiger2799 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I've seen it a few times, once to Glasgow, when both opposition riders were excluded leaving the two Glasgow riders to race each other. The rider in 2nd just hung back and tootled around. By lap 2 his exclusion light was in, as he was deemed not to have been racing. Just saying like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) In a normal meeting the referee made the right decision. Morris was ridden out of it and beaten, so he decided to put the bike down and hope for another go with all four back... ...But considering the fact that an exclusion for anyone ends the meeting, the common-sense decision in this meeting would be all 4 back, even if the technically correct decision was to exclude Morris. Daft comment from Tatum before the final "It's good to see it come down to a last heat decider"....What other finish can you have in the pairs? I predict tomorrow's GP will also go to a last heat decider. agreed, but can you have 2 or more sets of rules, shame it ended like that, or maybe it could of happened again and again and there was only 1 rider left :-(,,, but I don't think the ref was wrong,,, It's after the first bend, so by the book someone has to go. Can't tailor the rules to suit. you could in my world, just make them up as you go along, not everyone agree's like ;-) I am not saying anything about the exclusion although if it was 50/50 then all 4 back is normally the call. What I find an absolute disgrace, and don't care what I get called, Monarchs were NOT deserved winners. Simply the reason why: speedway is a RACING sport and that is what they did not do in the re- run. Masters signalling to Fricke to slow down is a disgrace. Unportsmanship almost rubbing it in us Rebels faces. excellent bit of team-riding,,, doing what's best for your team, that's what the pairs is about,,, Edited July 12, 2014 by ruffdiamond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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