Fozzie4388 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Was an even final. Somerset had home track advantage, Edinburgh had the ref advantage anyway IMO as a neutral the ref got it spot on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eide67 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Fantastic meeting, brilliant track - looked great on tv. Heat 20 was epic Anti-climactic at the end sure, but the right decision. The Monarchs pair just got better and better as the meeting went on and were in a winning position when Morris fell in the final. Congratulations Sam & Max - you were superb! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Don't know what you expected us to do full throttle round the boards putting everything on the line to try and pass Allen even though there was no need for them to do that as all they had to do was complete the race in which they did. If the shoe was on the other foot i don't think you would be saying anything about this at all. Lots of people paying to get in the areana and lots of people paying for sky to watch two riders prod round :/. Its not right simple as that. I pay to go watch speedway same as every other supporter. No I wouldn't for the reason I just stated. I believe in sportmanship? that was not. Yes every case to ride careful, not arguing that but that was ridiculous. Please tell me I'm wrong I'll argue all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) With race points like in tonight's meeting, 4, 3, 2 and 0 for last place, not coming last became the overriding factor.... They all could have tootled round for 3 laps, then made a mad dash to the finish line, with the sole aim of not finishing last! Can you imagine it........? That would cheapen the sport, you'd only need one engine all season!!! Edited July 11, 2014 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Lots of people paying to get in the areana and lots of people paying for sky to watch two riders prod round :/. Its not right simple as that. I pay to go watch speedway same as every other supporter. No I wouldn't for the reason I just stated. I believe in sportmanship? that was not. Yes every case to ride careful, not arguing that but that was ridiculous. Please tell me I'm wrong I'll argue all night. You are wrong, Monarchs did what was required - every other team including Rebels would have done the same, the problem of no grand finale was caused by the excluded rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hutcheson Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 With race points like in tonight's meeting, 4, 3, 2 and 0 for last place, not coming last became the overriding factor.... They all could have tootled round for 3 laps, then made a mad dash to the finish line, with the sole aim of not finishing last! Can you imagine it........? That would cheapen the sport, you'd only need one engine all season!!! I'd imagine that's why the standard league format is different. Lots of people paying to get in the areana and lots of people paying for sky to watch two riders prod round :/. Its not right simple as that. I pay to go watch speedway same as every other supporter. No I wouldn't for the reason I just stated. I believe in sportmanship? that was not. Yes every case to ride careful, not arguing that but that was ridiculous. Please tell me I'm wrong I'll argue all night. Sportsmanship is throwing your bike down in the second bend because your team is in a losing position! It only happened in one heat, why let it wipe the memory of a greatly entertaining night of speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 For someone that was going to argue all night it seems that Rebel Kid is off to bed, looks like it's up to us Smug ones to fill this thread now - anyone want to join my Jim McGregor fan club?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 My first experience of the premier league pairs, a cracking evening! Oak Tree Arena is a brilliant little set up, good track, good little facility in the corner, and some great viewing area's.. Although got covered down the back straight! Onto the meeting, many varied opinions on 'that' decison.. Although I couldn't really see what happened from my view point. Yes, excluding Morris did ruin the final, but a referee can't make a decision based on the crowd and the TV presence. That's like howard Webb not giving a penalty in the last minute of a World Cup match, because the crowd love penalty shoot outs. Unfortunately, they are the rules, yes it did make the final a dead rubber, but that's what rules are there for.. To abide by. Also, a few posts saying that the Edinburgh lads shouldn't of slowed down in the final, what if your supported team had to finish a race to win and they went hell for leather for no reason and crashed out.. Now I'm pretty sure you'd of been saying something very different! My final point, what is with this 'another nail in the coffin of speedway'?! never heard so much rubbish in my life.. People went tonight and enjoyed a good meeting, as I'm sure did viewers on tele. Just because the ref made a decision, is NOT a nail In the coffin at all, it's known as the rules. Im 99% people will continue flocking back to that meeting, because they love speedway, and that was a good speedway meeting! Time for bed anyway, Cardiff tomorrow!! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 You are wrong, Monarchs did what was required - every other team including Rebels would have done the same, the problem of no grand finale was caused by the excluded rider. So tell me would you like to see entertainment for your money or riders plodding around? There is being careful and just plain not trying and that was not trying.I understand if they rode careful but still show more effort than that. Sorry if no one likes it but feel like they rubbed it in our faces riding that slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coomie Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Watched the final,and think might have been to far round for all four back,lots of heats at the ota like that have been all four back but there you go,some you get some you don't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Questionable that masters raced properly for all four laps !! Have a look and give your opinion as I'm not so sure !! Maybe fortunate not to get excluded for not trying properly !! Just my thoughts as not fussed who won just an observation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) So tell me would you like to see entertainment for your money or riders plodding around? There is being careful and just plain not trying and that was not trying.I understand if they rode careful but still show more effort than that. Sorry if no one likes it but feel like they rubbed it in our faces riding that slow. I can understand your frustation, but in 50 years of watching speedway I have seen such a scenario numerous times. Be honest, how would you feel if your team raced each other, crashed, and cost you a meeting. It happens in all sports, they used to call it time-wasting in football...now it's being professional. Nowadays it seems it's more important to win than entertain, just look at Holland the other night.. oh wait, they didn't do either so it doesn't always work. One of the Monarchs could have had a puncture and been lapped then disq. Edited July 11, 2014 by DavyH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Questionable that masters raced properly for all four laps !! Have a look and give your opinion as I'm not so sure !! Maybe fortunate not to get excluded for not trying properly !! Just my thoughts as not fussed who won just an observation. Exactly the point I'm trying make. Oh look, looks like I'm not in bed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spt82 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 So tell me would you like to see entertainment for your money or riders plodding around? There is being careful and just plain not trying and that was not trying.I understand if they rode careful but still show more effort than that. Sorry if no one likes it but feel like they rubbed it in our faces riding that slow.I take it you never saw Max nearly binning it coming out the 4th bend on the 1st lap, after that they did what was required, as absolutely every team in any meeting in that situation would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 So tell me would you like to see entertainment for your money or riders plodding around? There is being careful and just plain not trying and that was not trying.I understand if they rode careful but still show more effort than that. Sorry if no one likes it but feel like they rubbed it in our faces riding that slow. your looking bitter blame ref not sam and max... channel your negativity into something nice like baking a cake for the premier league pairs champs....it was a belter of a meeting last race was a let down but hey thats speedway. must say that I was cheering on sam and max during meeting and glad they done it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Team Smug have prevailed victorious again, what else would you expect of course! Some people need to open their eyes and be a bit less biased yes it could of been all 4 back it wasn't. Yes the edinburgh pairing didn't ride as hard as they normally would of all they had to do was finish the race to win the Pairs why are certain people finding it so hard to understand. Edited July 11, 2014 by Mr Blobby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneylegend Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Correct decision IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel'n'Back Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 It's after the first bend, so by the book someone has to go. Can't tailor the rules to suit. I thought the rules say that a rider doesn't have to be disqualified, depending on the circumstances, not just first bench bunching? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 I like to see my team try always try, look I'm not trying to aim offence at anyone here and I'm not questioning the exclusion at all but Speedway is a racing sport and should be all the time. Thats my opinion. I would not pay to watch the Rebels if they didn't try simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 I like to see my team try always try, look I'm not trying to aim offence at anyone here and I'm not questioning the exclusion at all but Speedway is a racing sport and should be all the time. Thats my opinion. I would not pay to watch the Rebels if they didn't try simple as that. A very purist view, but Monarchs did try - they tried to win a trophy and succeeded. If Rebels had done the same would you have dismissed that triumph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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