Hodgy Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 As per the interview I quoted with Jim McGregor earlier in the thread, he felt it was too far around the corner for all 4 back to be an option. As there was no contact, he also felt it was a straightforward decision to exclude Nick Morris. Understand what he said but I view it as could have gone either way. I think there are a number of instances in a race, especially during lap 1, to rerun with all 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 ....and if it had happened coming out of the fourth bend, instead of the second? But it didn't so your point and post is rather pointless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 If some are saying all 4back because they feel that's the right decision then fair enough.I can see why there is an argument for this.it's when some are saying all 4back because it's a final I don't get.a final or a first heat, it shouldn't make any difference to the decision Agree for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Agree for sure.+1Understand what he said but I view it as could have gone either way. I think there are a number of instances in a race, especially during lap 1, to rerun with all 4.Fair enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Edinburgh won... somerset DID NOT... how hard can it be to accept the decision of SCOTLANDS number 1 ref.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Edinburgh won... somerset DID NOT... how hard can it be to accept the decision of SCOTLANDS number 1 ref.. Stirrer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Edinburgh won... somerset DID NOT... how hard can it be to accept the decision of SCOTLANDS number 1 ref.. Behave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ok so at Ipswich tonight and Wolbert off of 3 goes wider and wider. Mandates off 4 goes for the blast runs out of room goes down on the SECOND BEND. No contact. Referees decision is all 4 back. So please stop talking this crap about he had to make a decision as he could of put all 4 back something that Chris Louis agreed with in tonight's programme. That's 3 ex british champions Louis Tatum and Havelock who say the decision was wrong but what would they know! Oh in case you were wondering the ref tonight was Tony Steele I mean as if he knows the rules! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 If some are saying all 4back because they feel that's the right decision then fair enough.I can see why there is an argument for this.it's when some are saying all 4back because it's a final I don't get.a final or a first heat, it shouldn't make any difference to the decision Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Ok so at Ipswich tonight and Wolbert off of 3 goes wider and wider. Mandates off 4 goes for the blast runs out of room goes down on the SECOND BEND. No contact. Referees decision is all 4 back. So please stop talking this crap about he had to make a decision as he could of put all 4 back something that Chris Louis agreed with in tonight's programme. That's 3 ex british champions Louis Tatum and Havelock who say the decision was wrong but what would they know! Oh in case you were wondering the ref tonight was Tony Steele I mean as if he knows the rules! There was contact both times at Ipswich tonight between Wolbert & Manzares so nothing like the pairs decision as there was no contact. How Tony Steele could exclude Manzares when both incidents at Ipswich were the same is beyond me. Wolbert should've been excluded for knocking of Gino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 a think referee's are the downfall of the sport,,, the fan's should decide, making things more interesting and maybe encourage new fan's in for the 'mosh-up',,, :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Ok so at Ipswich tonight and Wolbert off of 3 goes wider and wider. Mandates off 4 goes for the blast runs out of room goes down on the SECOND BEND. No contact. Referees decision is all 4 back. So please stop talking this crap about he had to make a decision as he could of put all 4 back something that Chris Louis agreed with in tonight's programme. That's 3 ex british champions Louis Tatum and Havelock who say the decision was wrong but what would they know! Oh in case you were wondering the ref tonight was Tony Steele I mean as if he knows the rules! Oh come on... It's one week on, no two incidents are the same, the Ref applied the rules at the Pairs and you can count on one hand the amount of people who give 2 hoots about what the likes of Tatum says. Get over it... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Is this still going on, blimey get over it guys. Yeah I was peeved to start with but got over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Oh come on... It's one week on, no two incidents are the same, the Ref applied the rules at the Pairs and you can count on one hand the amount of people who give 2 hoots about what the likes of Tatum says. Get over it... jeez touchy touchy. Im an Ippo fan so couldnt give two hoots who won the pairs if it wasnt my team. was merely pointing out that a similar incident occured and what the ref ruled. get over yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 jeez touchy touchy get over yourself Coming from you that is comedy gold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 The ref made it very clear in a interview in the Speedway Star this week......not that he needed to! Strange, fans want rules to be clear ....then moan when it does not go their way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Poor Jim McGregor..... Damned if you do and damned if you don't. He has been congratulated by some rather big names and condemned by others..... I think probs 50/50 ...... Truth is, (like it or lump it) he did his job according to the rules You can't change the rules just because it is a final or it will upset Kelvin Tantrum or Gary Havelock or anyone else The TV footage proves there was no contact....... Nick himself said Max did nothing wrong..... I have heard Nick's team manager on more than one occasion complain that Nick has to learn there are 4 laps in a race and funny Garry didn't complain to the ref about the exclusion..... Not even Nick himself Yes, I would've preferred to see 4 riders contest the final but don't blame us or the ref that there wasn't I had a great time at the pairs, great racing and well organised as usual. Just a shame our lads didn't get the full credit they deserved for winning 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Poor Jim McGregor..... Damned if you do and damned if you don't. He has been congratulated by some rather big names and condemned by others..... I think probs 50/50 ...... Truth is, (like it or lump it) he did his job according to the rules You can't change the rules just because it is a final or it will upset Kelvin Tantrum or Gary Havelock or anyone else The TV footage proves there was no contact....... Nick himself said Max did nothing wrong..... I have heard Nick's team manager on more than one occasion complain that Nick has to learn there are 4 laps in a race and funny Garry didn't complain to the ref about the exclusion..... Not even Nick himself Yes, I would've preferred to see 4 riders contest the final but don't blame us or the ref that there wasn't I had a great time at the pairs, great racing and well organised as usual. Just a shame our lads didn't get the full credit they deserved for winning Unfortunately when someone "wins" in that fashion it will always be a bit of a damp squib , barring the final race I think most neutrals will agree that the best pair on the night lost. I have never been a fan of this business of having semis and finals at the end of meetings. The team, person pair or four who has the most points at the end should be declared the winner. In the pairs and fours you would have to have semis and finals so that all bases had been covered. Using the pairs as a guide Boro would have got 5 points from the final race and the Rebels 4. Before the usual suspects start loading their guns now , this is just an opinion I have nothing against the Monarchs winning,but maybe for the good of the sport the powers that be may need to come up with a system in the future where the best rider/pair four on the night actually win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Poor Jim McGregor..... Damned if you do and damned if you don't. He has been congratulated by some rather big names and condemned by others..... I think probs 50/50 ...... Truth is, (like it or lump it) he did his job according to the rules You can't change the rules just because it is a final or it will upset Kelvin Tantrum or Gary Havelock or anyone else The TV footage proves there was no contact....... Nick himself said Max did nothing wrong..... I have heard Nick's team manager on more than one occasion complain that Nick has to learn there are 4 laps in a race and funny Garry didn't complain to the ref about the exclusion..... Not even Nick himself Yes, I would've preferred to see 4 riders contest the final but don't blame us or the ref that there wasn't I had a great time at the pairs, great racing and well organised as usual. Just a shame our lads didn't get the full credit they deserved for winning Unfortunately when someone "wins" in that fashion it will always be a bit of a damp squib , barring the final race I think most neutrals will agree that the best pair on the night lost. I have never been a fan of this business of having semis and finals at the end of meetings. The team, person pair or four who has the most points at the end should be declared the winner. In the pairs and fours you would have to have semis and finals so that all bases had been covered. Using the pairs as a guide Boro would have got 5 points from the final race and the Rebels 4. Before the usual suspects start loading their guns now , this is just an opinion I have nothing against the Monarchs winning,but maybe for the good of the sport the powers that be may need to come up with a system in the future where the best rider/pair four on the night actually win. so, would the same apply to the GP's, or other 'idividual's' and league's, where the team/rider, over a given period, with the most point's, win's ???,,, I'd agree with that :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 my pictures from the PL Pairs >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_womble/sets/72157645921222071/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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