Arson fire Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Incidentally, everyone saying all four back, may I just add that young Max would have been excluded by some referees in that situation. Which in effect gives even more of an argument to all four back. Picture Nikki Pedersen in Max Fricke's saddle...he'd be out, no question.not a chance... Think that is a biased view really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high edge Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Another nail in speedways coffin by a so called official,it just ruined the meeting for most fans who by the way paid 20 pounds to see a final no wonder people left before the end.Next year the final race must be run 3 2 1 to avoid such a cock up ,and if the final finish 3 3 ,then a run off between one rider from each team,to decide the winner and please dont have a power struck referee in charge of such a meeting was a incompetant thought less man who made that decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 And at the same time stuffed another nail into british speedways coffin... so the referee comes to the meeting with his hammer and nails,,, and just waits for someone to make a mistake, then tries to help put himself out of work ???,,, mental,,, I NEVER suggested the referee should act in a corrupt manner. There were many who believed that it wasn't a clear cut decision and that all four back was an option and might have brought what was, by all accounts, a good meeting to a more satisfactory conclusion. you mean 'Somerset win' ???,, Another one who clearly wants to see Speedway going to the wall.. Why can't we talk about a Neutral Referee? No thats not convienient, is it...The only person talking nonsense is you.. Oh and a few others like you... why not have the pairs Cardiff the night before the GP, (neutral track),,, and a referee from Wales, (neutral),,, ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 so the referee comes to the meeting with his hammer and nails,,, and just waits for someone to make a mistake, then tries to help put himself out of work ???,,, mental,,, you mean 'Somerset win' ???,, why not have the pairs Cardiff the night before the GP, (neutral track),,, and a referee from Wales, (neutral),,, ??? Aye , why not, lets ruin the GP circuit with a meeting, which in world terms would be see as inconsequential, just to satisfy a few conspiracy theory individuals who prob. believe that Nicki Pederson hails from Alfa Centuri and has carnal knowledge of every GP sanctioned referee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 It was the wrong decision for the sport of speedway and in particular the event itself. The referee had an opportunity to keep the event alive and he let so many people down by not doing so. I've watched the replay and it was an easy call for all four back (thinking British final type situation here, not heat 2 of a league match) and what adds to my annoyance, the chairman of the bspa was acting team manager of the Monarchs pairing at a bspa event...something not quite right there either. Its not up to referee to keep the event alive, its up to him to enforce the rules and make a decision, that he did. I agree the easy thing to do would've been to call all four back but surely that would've been a cop out. I applaud the ref for making a definitive decision, I wish we had more refs doing the same on time wasting at the start line etc. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I know he`s not everybody`s cup of tea, but I thought Dick Barrie was as good as always-made me laugh a few times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Its not up to referee to keep the event alive, its up to him to enforce the rules and make a decision, that he did. I agree the easy thing to do would've been to call all four back but surely that would've been a cop out. I applaud the ref for making a definitive decision, I wish we had more refs doing the same on time wasting at the start line etc. Finally a sensible post on the subject. Junior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 It was the wrong decision for the sport of speedway and in particular the event itself. The referee had an opportunity to keep the event alive and he let so many people down by not doing so. I've watched the replay and it was an easy call for all four back (thinking British final type situation here, not heat 2 of a league match) and what adds to my annoyance, the chairman of the bspa was acting team manager of the Monarchs pairing at a bspa event...something not quite right there either. What difference does it matter who the team managers are, it's not as if they have a lot of decisions to make. They haven't got another rider to bring in on a tactical ride, and I'm sure the riders can pick their own gates in semis and final without the help of a team manager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Apart from the regular Somerset critics (yawn) is there any sensible reason why the OTA is not the perfect place for the Pairs and also the GP warm up.If Rebel`s riders were winning it every year,maybe, but the racing is normally good,and it`s a different winner every year.Can`t wait for the 4`s at P/Boro,watch out Panther fans if your team wins. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 The scoring system in the final could be 4-2-1-0 that way a reward goes to the rider winning the race and in the event of any exclusion still means there is something to race for in the re-run rather than the farce that was caused the other night in watching Masters poodle round telling Fricke where to ride thus robbing the public of any sort of race Used to be similar in the previous format, with 3-2-1 and the winner taking the heat win if it was a 3-3. Guess what, was changed after a run of 1 man teams winning. Apart from the regular Somerset critics (yawn) is there any sensible reason why the OTA is not the perfect place for the Pairs and also the GP warm up.If Rebel`s riders were winning it every year,maybe, but the racing is normally good,and it`s a different winner every year.Can`t wait for the 4`s at P/Boro,watch out Panther fans if your team wins. Tracks OK i guess but it's biggest problem is it's in the middle of nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Used to be similar in the previous format, with 3-2-1 and the winner taking the heat win if it was a 3-3. Guess what, was changed after a run of 1 man teams winning. Tracks OK i guess but it's biggest problem is it's in the middle of nowhere. Half a mile from M5 and 5 mins in a car from Burnham on Sea,sorry don`t agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 It's a great venue for the Pairs, a great set up in general. I was expecting queues of traffic to the track and a poor view in a busy stadium. Alas, taxi drove straight in and with the banking a good view from most areas. Excellent warm up for Cardiff, great way to start the weekend. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 There is nothing wrong with the somerset track, but IMO it should be on a neutral track (Elite league venue), to stop any home track advantage. I know that Somerset haven't won it every year but they still get some advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Used to be similar in the previous format, with 3-2-1 and the winner taking the heat win if it was a 3-3. Guess what, was changed after a run of 1 man teams winning. Tracks OK i guess but it's biggest problem is it's in the middle of nowhere. Track's good, location O.K. but the toilet facilities are shocking.Biggest crowd in eight years hope that they can spend (a penny ) on improving them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Track's good, location O.K. but the toilet facilities are shocking.Biggest crowd in eight years hope that they can spend (a penny ) on improving them. Good luck with that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 The referee was neutral. Glasgow (his nearest track) were not represented, so that may be the reason he was appointed? He appointed himself. Jim McGregor is the Referee's co-ordinator and chooses who referees which meetings (EL, PL, NL, PLRC, EL Championship, EL Pairs, PL Pairs etc., etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 so the referee comes to the meeting with his hammer and nails,,, and just waits for someone to make a mistake, then tries to help put himself out of work ???,,, mental,,, you mean 'Somerset win' ???,, why not have the pairs Cardiff the night before the GP, (neutral track),,, and a referee from Wales, (neutral),,, ??? why dont we just stick to the rules.. end of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Some friends who did go say there was a mass exodus before the rerun, which in a Pairs event of that format became virtually a non-event. How many more TV viewers would have turned off. It was the final of a major event but became a massive anti-climax. And how many more fans were lost to the sport? I thought it was shocking and surely a worse advert for the sport than anything that happened on the track to see a mass exodus of supporters because they felt aggrieved at a decision that went against them! Surely the way Oliver Allen performed throughout the whole event, warranted them to stay and also to applaud the runners up on the podium? Poor indeed by the home supporters... However, I'd surmise that you'd lose more supporters if they were aware that a referee didn't apply the rules because it was the best thing to do!! The scoring system in the final could be 4-2-1-0 that way a reward goes to the rider winning the race and in the event of any exclusion still means there is something to race for in the re-run rather than the farce that was caused the other night in watching Masters poodle round telling Fricke where to ride thus robbing the public of any sort of race The system works perfectly well throughout pairs events throughout Europe. Why change it because you don't agree with the decision of the initial running of this one final??!!! To my mind Sam also played his part of his pairing by ensuring they completed the job in the rerun by looking after his partner... You don't have to be riding at full throttle all the time to be working together as a team. Ok , the title of the event is "Pairs", to me that means that a each team requires two riders to be competing. . We need to change the rules for a Pairs event so that there are always four riders on show.How do you explain what happened on Friday to a new punter who has been following the meeting right through and looking forward to the final , only to see someone come off and be chucked out, shooting in the foot time yet again.The exclusion was fairly clear cut from what I saw,but say there was a doubt, or a bit of contact and Nick had been excluded, result pandemonium. The crowd and the TV audience were deprived over a potentially super final heat because of a bad rule for a "Pairs" event. The chaps in charge need to look at this as has been suggested, 15m handicap or a sub so at least there are four on the track and maybe Speedway can get a bit of credibility back. I am a Rebels supporter and I stayed to the end, thank you Sam for waving at the crowd as you poodled around behind Olly lol, already looking forward to when the Monarchs come to the OTA. To me, the title of the Pairs indicates 2 riders racing together as a pair - partnership in order to lift the title. But seriously? Are you indicating that irrespective of what happens during a race, you'd always have 4 riders in there??? Would it not be even more laughable for a newbie to try and understand that a rider has been excluded correctly in conjunction with the rulebook - but hey, lets have someone replace him just to keep 2 people per team always in the race! Picture a guy being sent-off in the World cup final for diving but it's ok, because you can send on a substitute to take his place??!!!! Total rubbish! There should be no option available to a rider that commits an infringement that forces a rerun other riders would use it to their advantage to get away with things that they currently can't. How good would that last heat have been regardless of what the result may have been if Nick had gone off 15 ! Great entertainment for the crowd and great TV for Sky. If Olly had gated and was in front the Monarchs would have to team ride ( the purpose of Pairs ) to keep him behind, Rebels up to that point had recorded no last places............ Also remember that this is only for the Pairs fixture. Probably as good as it would've been if Morris hadn't have chosen the path he did in the initial running and not come down... I don't get all this "He couldn't have changed his line" rubbish... He had the entire turns 1 and 2 to realise that Fricke was always heading for the fast outside line... If he'd have watched the Semi final against Redcar, he'd have known that this was the line that Fricke was using to his advantage. Allen changed lines abruptly in the second semi-final to pass the Comets so Morris could've with a quicker reaction rather than going for the High wide and handsome option round the boards. Reading between the lines, what you're saying is that it should've been rerun as many times as it would take until Somerset gained an advantage!!! And at the same time stuffed another nail into british speedways coffin... Really? I mean, really??!!!! RERUN with all four riders... Why let the rules get in the way of a home win which most outside of Edinburgh would've been so pleased with??!!!! Under normal circumtances yes, but these were not normal circumtances, this was a final where a lot was a stake, and common sense should have prevailed. Sometimes referees need to engage their brain. he had plenty of time to do so, and assess and the importance of the situation, clearly he failed to do that. He engaged hand before brain.. And from a Neutral point of view, why didn't the BSPA find a Referee from the midlands to take charge? Again, not thought out properly.. Just because it's a final, doesn't mean that separate rules apply??!!! Unless you're saying that Common sense should be a rule? Ah yes, lets put a rule in there that's a grey area and at the discretion of the referee??!!!! That's all we need... Another point that is open what mood the referee is in!!! At the moment, there is a rulebook that's written down in black and white. The riders know it, the management know it, the referee knows it. As for him using his brain and assessing the importance of the situation? This comment stinks of home bias. The situation was as important to Edinburgh as it was to Somerset. Incidentally, everyone saying all four back, may I just add that young Max would have been excluded by some referees in that situation. Which in effect gives even more of an argument to all four back. Picture Nikki Pedersen in Max Fricke's saddle...he'd be out, no question. If Nicki Pedersen had've been excluded (if he were in that position) then it would still have been the wrong decision - only we'd be talking about Nicki's reputation going against him. Only a biased referee would've excluded Max. If you watch the replays, there was still room for Morris to have stayed upright (maybe not passed Max on the 2nd turn but the race is over 4 laps remember Mr Morris...)... He came down at the end of the airfence... Max never went out to the fence down the back straight as he was heading for the inside to challenge Allen into turn 3... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Track's good, location O.K. but the toilet facilities are shocking.Biggest crowd in eight years hope that they can spend (a penny ) on improving them. There is two seperate toilet blocks - how many toilets do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 There is nothing wrong with the somerset track, but IMO it should be on a neutral track (Elite league venue), to stop any home track advantage. I know that Somerset haven't won it every year but they still get some advantage. I used to strongly agree with your opinion regarding neutral tracks. History shows many teams have won events with home advantage. They tried the neutral route a few years ago with the Super Seven launch - it didn't appear to work as no home team meant crowd levels were down considerably. The 4's at Peterborough last year was well below previous tournaments they were involved in. A home winner is usually a hollow victory for many, except the home team supporters. What's the alternative? The BSPA will not want to lose out on much needed revenue by going neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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