orion Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Actually there's been quite a few instances in the World Cup where a player has been on a yellow card and committed a second bookable offence, and the referee has chosen not to book him because to do so would mean having to harshly send him off. The commentators usually say "that would be a booking but the referee has applied common sense to avoid a harsh sending off". McGregor made the right decision under normal circumstances, but in the situation of a 4,3,2,0 scoring system he perhaps should have applied commonsense to avoid spoiling the climax in the same way that a football referee will apply commonsense to avoid a game changing harsh sending off. If a football ref is doing that then he's doing a poor job . I would not call that common sense I would call that a bottle job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Haven't read the entire thread (so apologies if this has already been posted) http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/speedway/9379738/edinburgh-win-premier-league-pairs For those like me who didn't see it live. My take (for what it's worth) is that it was the right decision. Edited July 12, 2014 by Yearbyred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 McGregor made the right decision under normal circumstances, but in the situation of a 4,3,2,0 scoring system he perhaps should have applied commonsense to avoid spoiling the climax in the same way that a football referee will apply commonsense to avoid a game changing harsh sending off. Which is fair enough, but had Morris been allowed in the re-run and Somerset had gone on to win wouldn't that been unfair on Edinburgh. I`m afraid the referee had to make the correct decision which IMO he did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 From video could have easily been all 4 back. But celestial karma kicked in after Morris's involvement in the crash with Joe Tabaka last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Which is fair enough, but had Morris been allowed in the re-run and Somerset had gone on to win wouldn't that been unfair on Edinburgh. I`m afraid the referee had to make the correct decision which IMO he did. You can look at it that way. The same as if the player who should have got the second booking goes on to score the winning goal. That's the impossible choice the referee has to make. Do you stick rigidly to the rules and exclude Morris/send the player off, and risk ruining the climax of meeting/match, or do you give the benefit of the doubt and allow all 4 back/allow the footballer to stay on, and run the risk of Morris/the offending footballer becoming a controversial match winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I pay to go watch racing, Monarchs pair did not do that from the start of the re-run. Allen was miles ahead. I'm sorry, no bias about this honest, but the Monarchs pair were unsportsmanlike I would say the same on the other foot. I don't think any fan would like to see their team not try?? If Monarchs had won fair and square then I would say fait dues but. I feel robbed out my pocket to be honest. dont suppose you go to work and do more than your fair share. people will always do the bare minimum to get the job done and as long as the jobs done , thats ok. mybe some one should have told max.. well done monarchs,,(good to see most of the somerst fans jumping ship when they could not win with 1 rider) as middlo sais.. its speedway... not table tennis.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) It does make me laugh how some of you lot keep telling us how many options Morris had. Even if he had a planet sized brain he couldn't consider all the options while balancing on a skidding motorbike, going sideways at 50mph, a few inches from the fence, with another rider close enough to whisper something in his ear about an empty beer bottle! In that situation the ref had the option of all four back and should have used it. Had the incident happened on any other lap of the race this thread would have been about how much of a shame it was that the ref had to exclude somebody, as it wasn't really anybody's fault and all four back would have been the best option. or maybe he could have excluded both??? one for 'straightening up' and the other for running himself out of track... that would still have left a final that would need winning by racing rather than by default.. and the ref would feel vindicated he 'followed the rules'... Edited July 12, 2014 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 wheres the anger? no frustration at all! i suggest you go back and read my posts on here where i say i wanted Edinburgh to win or you just going to pick on the bits that suit you.the simple fact is it was the wrong decision as many ex and current riders agree or are they all wrong as well? "Call themselves speedway fans, idiots, jumped up Monarchs fans, total clowns the majority of them" I think this is the phrase that makes it look like you are angry and come across as quite bitter IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 but Somerset do not have home track advantage Try telling that to all the teams you have got 60+ points against. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Did they really pay the ref for last nights work or wasloan. I think he should hand his wages over to the bEN fund after what ended in a pure fiasco last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hutcheson Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Did they really pay the ref for last nights work or wasloan. I think he should hand his wages over to the bEN fund after what ended in a pure fiasco last night. What a stupid remark, do you hand your wages over if you have a bad day? (Even though I think he did the right thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) One of the key reasons why speedway is struggling to survive is that at league level, it's largely forgotten how to put on a show. The referee had a choice to call a rerun with all four and give a large crowd a proper climax to the meeting or to disqualify, p[rove a point and destroy the meeting. Having seen the clip many referees would have gone for the first option. Sadly, for the sport as a whole he didn't. Sometimes, sometimes you HAVE to look at the bigger picture. Why kill the final unless you absolutely are forced to? Edited July 12, 2014 by rmc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) But theirein lies the problem.If riders know that the rules will probably not be implied in a final they might take more liberties/chances in the knowledge things will be ignored and we will have calls that the ref has cheated a team out of a title......Not easy to make split second decisions that will please everyone. Edited July 12, 2014 by iris123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Haven't read the entire thread (so apologies if this has already been posted) http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/speedway/9379738/edinburgh-win-premier-league-pairs For those like me who didn't see it live. My take (for what it's worth) is that it was the right decision. Thank's for that mate, just what I wanted to see, having now seen it I just think Fricke rode a tight line but Morris had room to race and with there being no contact between them highly unlikely you'd get an all four back especially coming off the second bend, tough but fair, like many others referee got that right!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) But theirein lies the problem.If riders know that the rules will probably not be implied in a final they might take more liberties/chances in the knowledge things will be ignored and we will have calls that the ref has cheated a team out of a title......Not easy to make split second decisions that will please everyone. It was the Premier League Pairs, not the Grand Prix. Sometimes the need to put on a show outranks the result. There is a chance riders might abuse it but it's one worth taking. In any case, it was perfectly within the rules to call an unsatisfactory start. Edited July 12, 2014 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 One of the key reasons why speedway is struggling to survive is that at league level, it's largely forgotten how to put on a show. The referee had a choice to call a rerun with all four and give a large crowd a proper climax to the meeting or to disqualify, p[rove a point and destroy the meeting. Having seen the clip many referees would have gone for the first option. Sadly, for the sport as a whole he didn't. Sometimes, sometimes you HAVE to look at the bigger picture. Why kill the final unless you absolutely are forced to? The referee had a duty to enforce the rules, irrespective of what stage of the meeting, had it been one of the qualifying heats would you argue the same, I think not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 It was the Premier League Pairs, not the Grand Prix. Sometimes the need to put on a show outranks the result. There is a chance riders might abuse it but it's one worth taking. In any case, it was perfectly within the rules to call an unsatisfactory start. But the referee was perfectly within the rules to exclude someone.The way people are going is the ref should turn a blind eye because it was the final.Guess we should have calls that the ref in a world championship boxing match should do a "long" count if someone gets knocked down in the first or second round because it would spoil the fight if he counts the guy out..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) It was the Premier League Pairs, not the Grand Prix. Sometimes the need to put on a show outranks the result. There is a chance riders might abuse it but it's one worth taking. In any case, it was perfectly within the rules to call an unsatisfactory start. Comical, look at the number of threads about the inconsistency of refs and now we need to think "of the show" Edited July 12, 2014 by Dekker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Try telling that to all the teams you have got 60+ points against. That is not down to home track advantage a lot of these scores are that the teams are beaten before the start just like the Danes where always beaten as soon as they took a look at the size of the County Ground and it's steal plate fence How can there be track advantage when the rebels have only won the title once since the start Edited July 12, 2014 by starshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 IMO, the ref is damned either way, he made the right call, but in the wrong scenario,,, he is human, (if being Scottish counts, lol ), and am sure he will stick to his guns about it,,, tough call, but he made it,,, what else can be done ???,,, do away with ref's and let the fans make all the desicion's ???,,, we could be in for some long nights and might need more medical cover,,, a dunno,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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