robbieblackadder fan club Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Still think it makes us look weaker We are going to have to rely on king,Robson,lingren and Kerr to get most of the points and if one of them has an off night we've had it,I think rose has bags of potential but I think putting him in the team this early could damage him and I think schramm is past his best and we ain't going to get the big scores from him that you need to from a reserve to be sucessfull and lingren is far to inconsistent,if it had been me I would have left him out over rosen as rosen has the ability to improve Edited May 15, 2014 by robbieblackadder fan club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 What assessed average do Germans come in on? Still think it makes us look weaker We are going to have to rely on king,Robson,lingren and Kerr to get most of the points and if one of them has an off night we've had it,I think rose has bags of potential but I think putting him in the team this early could damage him and I think schramm is past his best and we ain't going to get the big scores from him that you need to from a reserve to be sucessfull and lingren is far to inconsistent,if it had been me I would have left him out over rosen as rosen has the ability to improve I agree I agree I disagree- So far this season he scored way more points than Henry and Rosen and from a harder position being at number 1. I personally don't think he's that bad as a middle order rider. (Not good at number 1 though.) Couldn't agree more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Still think it makes us look weaker We are going to have to rely on king,Robson,lingren and Kerr to get most of the points and if one of them has an off night we've had it,I think rose has bags of potential but I think putting him in the team this early could damage him and I think schramm is past his best and we ain't going to get the big scores from him that you need to from a reserve to be sucessfull and lingren is far to inconsistent,if it had been me I would have left him out over rosen as rosen has the ability to improve To be fair the team as it was, was going nowhere. We'd already lost twice at home and been largely uncompetitive away. I agree the changes without Lambert have left us arguably weaker and certainly not obviously stronger but it was probably a gamble worth taking. The downside is dropping riders inevitably damages relationships. Hard to see Henry or Rosen riding for us again which is a shame as Henry is one of the best middle order riders in the league and Rosen had potential to improve. Other side of the coin is that King may end up being the number we have craved for the future. Basically we are paying the price for not getting the balance of the team right in the winter. It's always a gamble to some extent and it didn't work on this occasion. Edited May 15, 2014 by NJC71 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 To be fair the team as it was, was going nowhere. We'd already lost twice at home and been largely uncompetitive away. I agree the changes without Lambert have left us arguably weaker and certainly not obviously stronger but it was probably a gamble worth taking. The downside is dropping riders inevitably damages relationships. Hard to see Henry or Rosen riding for us again which is a shame as Henry is one of the best middle order riders in the league and Rosen had potential to improve. Other side of the coin is that King may end up being the number we have craved for the future. Basically we are paying the price for not getting the balance of the team right in the winter. It's always a gamble to some extent and it didn't work on this occasion. How long do you think King will stay? Just this season or is he in for the long haul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 looks like i was wrong. i thought greaves rode really well.his time will come.. matbe at worky in 2015, or earlier. who knows..danny kink needs to scork 13/14 in each meeting to get any benefit from georgrs drastic team cnangesrosen and henry were scoring 12 plus between them.. hope it goes ok for george.. A very big ????, but fingers crossed. I just hope he adapts to our odd shape track You mean 'Unique' shaped track surely. Or the track which nurtures future champions would also fit. He's only 20 surely at some point in the next 20 years of his career he will score 5 points in the PL. Weather it be this season or in 5 seasons time. This degree of cynicism from someone of your tender years can only prove one thing. You are a speedway supporter without a doubt. You mention Liam Carr, he has done reasonably well with good scores and some poor ones, but Steen Jensen has now hit some kind of form so any deficiencies in Carr`s scoring is been more than made up for by Jensen's scoring. Newcastle need something similar from Greenwood`s fellow reserve. Agreed! Still think it makes us look weaker We are going to have to rely on king,Robson,lingren and Kerr to get most of the points and if one of them has an off night we've had it,I think rose has bags of potential but I think putting him in the team this early could damage him and I think schramm is past his best and we ain't going to get the big scores from him that you need to from a reserve to be sucessfull and lingren is far to inconsistent,if it had been me I would have left him out over rosen as rosen has the ability to improve Yeah, interesting to see in the aborted Swedish League match on Eurosport that while Rosen was main body, Lingren was in a reserve birth-hm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 How long do you think King will stay? Just this season or is he in for the long haul? At the end of the day (well, season), it is likely to come down to figures/averages, whether he'd want to start next season or at Newcastle or even in the PL in general and whether Newcastle want him back. All, or some, will play a part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 How many matches does king have to ride before he gets an average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 How many matches does king have to ride before he gets an averagePresumably the same as any new rider to the league. I would think he needs to do 8 meetings with 4 home and 4 away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 How many matches does king have to ride before he gets an average Guessing you are thinking if his average drops by say 2ish, Rose finds it hard in the main body and drops say half a point, with an out of form Ludo doing something similar, we might have in the region of 5 and a half {dropping Greenwood} to get a reasonable no2 allowing a return to Rose /Schramm at reserve? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Guessing you are thinking if his average drops by say 2ish, Rose finds it hard in the main body and drops say half a point, with an out of form Ludo doing something similar, we might have in the region of 5 and a half {dropping Greenwood} to get a reasonable no2 allowing a return to Rose /Schramm at reserve? As I said previously IF Lambert had been eligible then King/Lambert would have strengthened Diamonds no doubt - as for your 14 points (King 11, Lambert 3) you would be getting a return IMO of around 16 (King 9, Lambert 7), plus the "big hitter" everyone is shouting for, also you have the bonus of Lambert getting extra rides, HOWEVER as someone made a monumental %^&*-up in not looking at rules you have only 11-12 points return (King 9, Greenwood 2-3) and have Rose pushed into team. So it's now back to drawing board and looking to when changes can be made again. Ignoring everyones opinions about rolling averages, I think the big flaw is that an established rider who has a full season's racing behind him does not move very quickly up or down on the greensheets, and on the flip side of that a new rider can change quite dramatically, I doubt anyone expects King to achieve his 11 average, realistically he should be about a 9, so you may get 2 points there, Rose is the other one whose average may change rapidly, but he has moved up and would have to be scoring 1s & 2s for it to drop down, so again you may get your half point or so, I guess Lindgren may drop, but he is an enigma and may go up, also Kerr is likely to rise not fall, Schamm will be getting extra rides against other reserves so should do ok and Robson is looking like increasing as well, but as my initial point all this will be gradual. I think you may be looking at overall 2.5 drop, BUT overall average is already over 1 point above limit so this is only 1.5 net fall and that would only allow 4.5 rider, may push Rose back to reserve but another weak rider in main body!! All crystal ball stuff, who knows King may struggle and only get 7 average then you have heaps of points, may even get Henry/Rosen back in, but if King is that low, then May/June will have been a nightmare and will be a long way to catch up! For those optimists Greenwood may become a 4.5 rider and King may hit 10 and George will be saying "told you so" We shall wait and see!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 How long do you think King will stay? Just this season or is he in for the long haul?At this stage of his career think he will be wanting aPL place to earn some easier money.the new El set up does not suit his scoring potential IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 As I said previously IF Lambert had been eligible then King/Lambert would have strengthened Diamonds no doubt - as for your 14 points (King 11, Lambert 3) you would be getting a return IMO of around 16 (King 9, Lambert 7), plus the "big hitter" everyone is shouting for, also you have the bonus of Lambert getting extra rides, HOWEVER as someone made a monumental %^&*-up in not looking at rules you have only 11-12 points return (King 9, Greenwood 2-3) and have Rose pushed into team. So it's now back to drawing board and looking to when changes can be made again. Ignoring everyones opinions about rolling averages, I think the big flaw is that an established rider who has a full season's racing behind him does not move very quickly up or down on the greensheets, and on the flip side of that a new rider can change quite dramatically, I doubt anyone expects King to achieve his 11 average, realistically he should be about a 9, so you may get 2 points there, Rose is the other one whose average may change rapidly, but he has moved up and would have to be scoring 1s & 2s for it to drop down, so again you may get your half point or so, I guess Lindgren may drop, but he is an enigma and may go up, also Kerr is likely to rise not fall, Schamm will be getting extra rides against other reserves so should do ok and Robson is looking like increasing as well, but as my initial point all this will be gradual. I think you may be looking at overall 2.5 drop, BUT overall average is already over 1 point above limit so this is only 1.5 net fall and that would only allow 4.5 rider, may push Rose back to reserve but another weak rider in main body!! All crystal ball stuff, who knows King may struggle and only get 7 average then you have heaps of points, may even get Henry/Rosen back in, but if King is that low, then May/June will have been a nightmare and will be a long way to catch up! For those optimists Greenwood may become a 4.5 rider and King may hit 10 and George will be saying "told you so" We shall wait and see!! Very fair summary NYB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Having a day off work to recover (in a good way) from last nights Courtney Love gig and as my hangover lifted I got to thinking that perhaps we've all missed a trick with this team re-declaration. I still think the rule to not allow Robert Lambert to ride PL has been superseded by the reality that other riders are actually riding both league without having an official MA. But because that was the focus of attention I'd not thought about Danny King's converted average. Apologies if this has already been discussed but shouldn't Danny King have joined the Diamonds on his previous PL average??? As per: 18.6.3 Where a Rider has a PL Established MA from the previous season, then this MA is used. So shouldn't Danny revert to his last PL average of 8.00 ish from 2006 ish? Thereby freeing up another 3 points which could/should have allowed the Diamonds to retain Henry or Rosen? King, Robson, Lindgren, Henry/Rosen, Kerr, Rose, 3.00. Again apologies if this has already been discounted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Having a day off work to recover (in a good way) from last nights Courtney Love gig and as my hangover lifted I got to thinking that perhaps we've all missed a trick with this team re-declaration. I still think the rule to not allow Robert Lambert to ride PL has been superseded by the reality that other riders are actually riding both league without having an official MA. But because that was the focus of attention I'd not thought about Danny King's converted average. Apologies if this has already been discussed but shouldn't Danny King have joined the Diamonds on his previous PL average??? As per: 18.6.3 Where a Rider has a PL Established MA from the previous season, then this MA is used. So shouldn't Danny revert to his last PL average of 8.00 ish from 2006 ish? Thereby freeing up another 3 points which could/should have allowed the Diamonds to retain Henry or Rosen? King, Robson, Lindgren, Henry/Rosen, Kerr, Rose, 3.00. Again apologies if this has already been discounted. You have the answer in your question from the previous season which means 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 You have the answer in your question from the previous season which means 2013. Ah it does say "the" and not "a". Still a bit bleary eyed. Thanks for pointing that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 How long do you think King will stay? Just this season or is he in for the long haul? Could be quite a bit longer than either party initially envisaged, seeing as who Birmingham signed toady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Having a day off work to recover (in a good way) from last nights Courtney Love gig and as my hangover lifted I got to thinking that perhaps we've all missed a trick with this team re-declaration. Don't worry a Courtney Love gig is enough to drive anyone to drink. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Robert Lambert's converted EL average is 8.88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Robert Lambert's converted EL average is 8.88 He can't double up this year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 According to Jack Burnicle on Eurosports tonight the Diamonds have re-signed Lemon. I wouldn't worry too much though as he gets most things wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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