BWitcher Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Only because they are NOT CONSISTENT in their decisions. Are there any other riders who have been allowed to do what Newcastle wanted to do with Lambert? If not, then they've been 100% consistent. The rule is there, they've enforced it. I thought you were very much against rule breaking/bending WK? Yet now it involves your team you seem to want them to turn a blind eye? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Are there any other riders who have been allowed to do what Newcastle wanted to do with Lambert? If not, then they've been 100% consistent. The rule is there, they've enforced it. I thought you were very much against rule breaking/bending WK? Yet now it involves your team you seem to want them to turn a blind eye? No, I can't - my problem is not with Lambert or with my Team. My problem is that had Newcastle been Poole (as you said) he would have been riding at Newcastle on Sunday. It was you who made me think about that. THAT is what is wrong in Speedway - there is one Law for some and one Law for others - that is not RIGHT. For what it's worth, if Lambert riding for us means bending or breaking the Rules - I don't want him. So I hope that clears that up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) The doubling up rules says, "and up to 2 Doubling-Up Riders who must at the time of declaration: a) be in a Premier League’s currently declared 1 – 7, have a PL MA established prior to the start of the season and c) give absolute priority to all British Speedway fixtures." when referring to the EL declaration. There nothing in the Pl section about double upper. When Lynns team was declared Robert was not doubling up. There you go Newcastle and Robert. I've just found you your loop-hole. The double up rules only mater to the EL team at the time of (re-)declaration. Not the PL team. Edited May 10, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 The doubling up rules says, "and up to 2 Doubling-Up Riders who must at the time of declaration: a) be in a Premier League’s currently declared 1 – 7, have a PL MA established prior to the start of the season and c) give absolute priority to all British Speedway fixtures." when referring to the EL declaration. There nothing in the Pl section about double upper. When Lynns team was declared Robert was not doubling up. There you go Newcastle and Robert. I've just found you your loop-hole. The double up rules only mater to the EL team at the time of (re-)declaration. Not the PL team. The clue is in the title it is about doubling up to Elite, not doubling down to Premier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 And you have to meet all 3criteria which he won't as he does not have a pl ave. Although he could quit theel then you can have him on his converted el average or 7pt take your pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 The clue is in the title it is about doubling up to Elite, not doubling down to PremierNo such thing.And you have to meet all 3criteria which he won't as he does not have a pl ave. Although he could quit theel then you can have him on his converted el average or 7pt take your pickno you don't. That rule is only applicable when the EL team is declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 No such thing. no you don't. That rule is only applicable when the EL team is declared. Yes you do the next rule states all the same conditions must be met on a redeclaration which would be done to declare him as a double up rider No such thing. no you don't. That rule is only applicable when the EL team is declared. Yes you do the next rule states all the same conditions must be met on a redeclaration which would be done to declare him as a double up rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Yes you do the next rule states all the same conditions must be met on a redeclaration which would be done to declare him as a double up rider Yes you do the next rule states all the same conditions must be met on a redeclaration which would be done to declare him as a double up rider Kings Lynn wouldn't be redeclaring. Newcastle are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Kings Lynn wouldn't be redeclaring. Newcastle are. Yes It would have to be as they would be changing to having a double up rider and double up riders have to fit the criteria. The way your claiming means you could just add a third du rider so say toft at belle vue doubles up as they would not be "redeclaring" their team! Edited May 10, 2014 by The Scunthorpe bullet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Does anyone think there is any chance that Danny King's arrival at Newcastle might tempt brother Jason back. His average would surely fit, but does he still have his bikes. To me Jase doing a Compton would solve many probs. Plus many a Diamonds fan would cheer his return. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Does anyone think there is any chance that Danny King's arrival at Newcastle might tempt brother Jason back. His average would surely fit, but does he still have his bikes. To me Jase doing a Compton would solve many probs. Plus many a Diamonds fan would cheer his return. Many?? Give over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) No such thing. No such thing as what???? To double up you have by definition to be in PL so that is your "main club" who get priority if neither club owns rider, check out averages there are no "dd" next to riders in Pl, but "du" is used in EL. Therefore as the Scunny Bullet is explaining - rider has to have a PL team and is then declared in EL team (even if he was already in that team) and then all rules apply as stated. Wolves will have had to redeclare team with Ty Procor changing from a EL rider to a "doubling up" rider and now he has du next to his name. Edited May 10, 2014 by northyorksbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Many?? Give over Even a rusty Jason would be better than a NL three pointer. In those couple of outings prior to his Crash with Stevie Worrall, he was showing glimpses of his pre- Glasgow crash form. And to be honest, that sort of reaction- while I am sure sincere on your part- is not going to bring the guy out of retirement. Edited May 10, 2014 by HadrianDog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Even a rusty Jason would be better than a NL three pointer. In those couple of outings prior to his Crash with Stevie Worrall, he was showing glimpses of his pre- Glasgow crash form.id rather have greaves, young with massive potential....a star of the future for sure IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Even a rusty Jason would be better than a NL three pointer. In those couple of outings prior to his Crash with Stevie Worrall, he was showing glimpses of his pre- Glasgow crash form. Even a rusty Jason would be better than a NL three pointer. In those couple of outings prior to his Crash with Stevie Worrall, he was showing glimpses of his pre- Glasgow crash form.Judging by his Berwick form he has made the right decision.Showing glimpses being the correct phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 It seems that the Jase idea is a non-starter so fair enough and since Greaves has been 'fasted' to Swindon, then maybe the bairn does have something to attract the s/w scouts. Mind you if we see Jason having a post match practice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 No such thing as what???? To double up you have by definition to be in PL so that is your "main club" who get priority if neither club owns rider, check out averages there are no "dd" next to riders in Pl, but "du" is used in EL. Therefore as the Scunny Bullet is explaining - rider has to have a PL team and is then declared in EL team (even if he was already in that team) and then all rules apply as stated. Wolves will have had to redeclare team with Ty Procor changing from a EL rider to a "doubling up" rider and now he has du next to his name. I thought you could now double down to due to the new rules in place this season? Lambert is a KL asset, therefore doubles down with Newcastle. If there are any fixture clashes, he rides for Kings Lynn. Newcastle are the only club that have to redeclare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I thought you could now double down to due to the new rules in place this season? Lambert is a KL asset, therefore doubles down with Newcastle. If there are any fixture clashes, he rides for Kings Lynn. Newcastle are the only club that have to redeclare.Two d/downers only it seems, so no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Two d/downers only it seems, so no The fast track reserves don't count as double downers or double uppers So in this case the two Lewis Even a rusty Jason would be better than a NL three pointer. In those couple of outings prior to his Crash with Stevie Worrall, he was showing glimpses of his pre- Glasgow crash form. And to be honest, that sort of reaction- while I am sure sincere on your part- is not going to bring the guy out of retirement. He already said that he wont ride again, shame really he was one of my favourites from 2010. Could we not get someone like Ben Morley or James Sarjeant for the 3.00 if Greaves is temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 The fast track reserves don't count as double downers or double uppers So in this case the two Lewis He already said that he wont ride again, shame really he was one of my favourites from 2010. Could we not get someone like Ben Morley or James Sarjeant for the 3.00 if Greaves is temporary. Do you not reckon that Nathan should be given a chance? He has not even ridden for us yet. George knows a Speedway Rider when he sees one - I am prepared to trust his judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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