dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) so really,,, as R Lambert would be a new PL rider, his criteria shoultd allow him to come in on a 3 pt ave ??? he has'nt actually got an EL ave, (yet),,, so why can't he be signed before he has ??? a rider can only d/u if they have an average from the previous season to use in the conversion. so really,,, as R Lambert would be a new PL rider, his criteria should allow him to come in on a 3 pt ave ??? he has'nt actually got an EL ave, (yet),,, so why can't he be signed before he has ??? a rider can only d/u if they have an average from the previous season to use in the conversion. Edit but I can double up whenever I like. Big smiley!! Edited May 9, 2014 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 These rules are killing the sport, do we all know them all?i think it will be great if Lambert goes to Newcastle.He will learn because Newcastle is a tough track to master and a number of great/ good riders have progressed at this club.Lambert this bloke i really rate he has not proved anything yet but he is exciting a raw talent .ROSEN ( who i rate will be back) and Henry a great club man and a decent PL rider who is capable of popping out and beating the best i feel for him but the management have been bold i don't agree with them but i admire them having the balls to make big changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 That's my thinking as well, I'M SO CONFUSED WITH ALL THESE RULES!!! Untill Lambert gets a true average he cant double up, though I`d doubt he will be allowed to double up even when he gets a true average. A 3pt EL average is a 5pt PL average though I think Lamberts average might be above four meaning a move to Newcastle even more unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 As I suspected Nathan is in the declared lineup meaning from Monday the team isn't illegal. In no way should Lambert come in on a 3pt ave. The rules are clear that no rider can double down on an assessed average and when he gets a true average it should be converted the same as every rider you can't just lower it because he is british if you could just break rules like that I think there would have been a lot more clubs chucking money at him to sign. He passed up the chance to be a 3pt pl rider ad soon as he passed up on the draft system to ride in kl main body. If they wanted to lewis Kerr should have gone in the main body and Lambert go in the draft which would have allowed him to ride pl as a 3ptave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 When he gets a proper EL average it will be a 3.00 probably. 3.00 converted to a PL average is about 5.00. (correct me if I'm wrong with all of this) What I'm saying is if we could swap Schramm on 4.00 for Lambert on a 5.00 it'd be a bargin for the matches Lambert has done so far in the EL would give him a converted PL average of 9.04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 for the matches Lambert has done so far in the EL would give him a converted PL average of 9.04. That's put an end to the Lambert for Schramm exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 That's put an end to the Lambert for Schramm exchange. How can you be sure that Mr B has got his Arithmetic right though i mean we are trusting someone with a profile picture off Mr Blobby i mean how does he find the time to calculate arithmetic with all the activities like playing in the sand pit , Colouring in etc etc . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Although further to my last post to muddy the water further technically due to no pl average Lambert should be an assessed 4 pt rider. The only 3 pt assessment is for Commonwealth new to British speedway or those riders on the fast track development scheme. Now if he is classed as a development rider then technically he is the same as say max clegg and classed as never having ridden in a proffesional league (nl is amateur) so then would be a 3!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 How can you be sure that Mr B has got his Arithmetic right though i mean we are trusting someone with a profile picture off Mr Blobby i mean how does he find the time to calculate arithmetic with all the activities like playing in the sand pit , Colouring in etc etc . I used my fingers Gaz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I used my fingers Gaz. What all eight of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I used my fingers Gaz. Oh that's ok then quite a high converted average then thanks for going to the trouble in calculating this with only using your fingers without the need to use any toes impressive . Although further to my last post to muddy the water further technically due to no pl average Lambert should be an assessed 4 pt rider. The only 3 pt assessment is for Commonwealth new to British speedway or those riders on the fast track development scheme. Now if he is classed as a development rider then technically he is the same as say max clegg and classed as never having ridden in a proffesional league (nl is amateur) so then would be a 3!! I prefer Mr Bs explanation simple and doesn't give you a headache trying to understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 If you read the rules properly you will get a headache there are that many loophole/ interpretations that can be taken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Even on Monday, when Lambert gets his EL average, he still can't double up. He cannot double up this season at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 for the matches Lambert has done so far in the EL would give him a converted PL average of 9.04. I thought he would probably stay at a 3.00 Ohh I didn't realise Nathan Greaves was actually part of the team now (full time) Good young talent Ohh I didn't realise Nathan Greaves was actually part of the team now (full time) Good young talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 What all eight of them. he's only got six,,, unless he has'nt got any thumbs,,, it's hard to tell :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) How do these changes work within the averages Before changes Robson 7.58 Lindgren 7.37 Henry 7.05 Rosen 6.94 Kerr 6.24 Schramm 4.00 Rose 3.00/4.24 All equals a total of 42.18/43.42 After changes King 11.18 Robson 7.58 Lindgren 7.37 Kerr 6.24 Schramm 4.00 Rose 3.00/4.24 Greaves 3.00 All equals a total of 42.37/43.61 Edited May 9, 2014 by Mr Blobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Rose is still 3.00 for a few more days. Also think thats a piss poor team. Edited May 9, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Even on Monday, when Lambert gets his EL average, he still can't double up. He cannot double up this season at all. And Lewis Rose can? Exact same situation apart from the Fast Track label. Amazing technicality for the BSPA to cling to. Can't work out if they have something against Lambert or Newcastle having what would be a very strong team. Without Lambert the team changes don't really strengthen Newcastle as Danny King will not average 11 and will realistically average 9. Having never seen Greaves ride I can't comment on his ability to average over 3. However it's becoming apparent that d/up PL riders have a massive advantage over their non d/up opponents so you really do need a d/up rider to be competitive. I guess the d/up riders having more meetings and can invest more in machinery. Certainly Josh Gracjzonek was head and shoulders above anyone else last Sunday. Sad to see Rosen and Henry go but the team at the start of the season was too far under the points limit and the anticipated increases from Rosen and Kerr didn't materialise. Hopefully both will find a team place elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Rose is still 3.00 for a few more days. Also think thats a piss poor team. Really, Yeah we have a weak number 2 and not hugely strong reserves but the rest of the team is to die for Can you imagine if we had Steve Worrall instead of Schramm at the beginning of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythman666 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Supposing Lambert had decided to ride EL and PL at the start of the season would his starting average have been 3.00 in both leagues?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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