emilali Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Speedway has some crazy rules, we are talking about a 16 year old kid, one with massive potential yet we stifle his progress the same with Ellis last season.... Can these numptys not see what the rest of us do?? We should be embracing young Brits correctly and not just using them as speedway slags and a cost cutting exercise to save Elite league speedway... Spot on post. Its hardly a surprise GB do nothing on the world stage when we hold our best young riders back. Poland and Denmark do everything possible to help them, and look at the results they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) This is not the bspa stopping anything there is a system in place for Brits to go through the system Lambert gave up the rights to that as soon as he decided to ride elite league outside the draft. At this point he has no eligibility to be a 3pt rider it is either an assessed 7pt or converted average when he gets one. (The rules don't actually state he cannot double down the rules are you cannot sign as a double up rider in the el if you don't yet have a pl average so if he quit kl !) I would have no problem in Newcastle signing him on a converted average once he has one but its taking the Mick to suggest he should be an assessed 3 Brit or not. Â PS and technically the bspa helped him in the first place as he should not have been a 3 if Germany is classed as a proffesional league Edited May 10, 2014 by The Scunthorpe bullet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 This is not the bspa stopping anything there is a system in place for Brits to go through the system Lambert gave up the rights to that as soon as he decided to ride elite league outside the draft. At this point he has no eligibility to be a 3pt rider it is either an assessed 7pt or converted average when he gets one. (The rules don't actually state he cannot double down the rules are you cannot sign as a double up rider in the el if you don't yet have a pl average so if he quit kl !)It good to know you like you or own post !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 It good to know you like you or own post !!! Pressed wrong button on my phone when trying to edit!! Doh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Â A few fans were wanting an 'out and out' number 1. They have got that. Â The only way that that was going to happen was drop 2 riders and bring in that 'out and out' number 1 and a 3 pointer. When I thought out and out number 1 I thought Jacob Thorssell, Christ did we get a good number 1 and I'm happy with him I honestly thought Thorssell on about an 8 and another 5 or 6 point rider maybe Claes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 When I thought out and out number 1 I thought Jacob Thorssell, Christ did we get a good number 1 and I'm happy with him I honestly thought Thorssell on about an 8 and another 5 or 6 point rider maybe Claes  Wolves already have 2 d/uppers in Wells and Procter, so Thorsell can't d/up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Â Wolves already have 2 d/uppers in Wells and Procter, so Thorsell can't d/up Plus Thorssell rides in Poland, he was an example Edited May 10, 2014 by DIAMONDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Plus Thorssell rides in Poland, he was an example  Not a very good one, evidently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 If riders like Nico Covatti or Nicklas Porsing for any reason whatsoever dropped to the PL would they get converted averages from their EL averages.  Not a very good one, evidently Aye I know  Not a very good one, evidently aye I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 This is not the bspa stopping anything there is a system in place for Brits to go through the system Lambert gave up the rights to that as soon as he decided to ride elite league outside the draft. At this point he has no eligibility to be a 3pt rider it is either an assessed 7pt or converted average when he gets one. (The rules don't actually state he cannot double down the rules are you cannot sign as a double up rider in the el if you don't yet have a pl average so if he quit kl !) I would have no problem in Newcastle signing him on a converted average once he has one but its taking the Mick to suggest he should be an assessed 3 Brit or not. Â PS and technically the bspa helped him in the first place as he should not have been a 3 if Germany is classed as a proffesional league thats counter acted by him riding in NL surely??.... One set of rules with 4or 5 interpretations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 thats counter acted by him riding in NL surely??.... One set of rules with 4or 5 interpretations.Possibly except it clearly states about the nl being an amateur league and the average being different once they have ridden in a professional league eg el or germany and on all cases where there are 2 averages its the higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 It doesnt really matter which side of the arguement anyone is on the over riding point IMO is that you cant change the regs mid season. Â It may be wrong to have regs that prevent a 16 year old Brit from doubling up but the time to sort that is between seasons. Â FWIW I would be in favour of allowing it in future. However you then need to think of the impact on fair team building so I wouldnt let anyone start on a 3 in both leagues. Â If they are good enough to go EL straightaway then a 3 there and a 5 in PL seems reasonable to me. Â If they start in just 1 league then a 3. Should they subsequently look to double mid season then use the standard conversion. Â Im sure theres plenty of holes to be picked in that which just goes to show how difficult it can be to get regs right - another reason not to make a hasty mid season change besides the integrity position. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Possibly except it clearly states about the nl being an amateur league and the average being different once they have ridden in a professional league eg el or germany and on all cases where there are 2 averages its the higherhas he ridden in the German league??... Or a German league?? Or just individuals?? Edited May 10, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) has he ridden in the German league??... Or a German league?? Or just individuals??It appears yes they were all individuals so probably wouldn't count and which allows his 3pt average in the el. Riding el however which is proffesional does! Going the way he has instead of going up a step at atime has cost him but how do you build rules fofor that as how often does someone jump from bottom to top then drop down.  Also was it his choice to jump straight up or was their pressure from kl as they tried to take advantage of him being a 3pt rider as soon as possible  Will be interesting to see if anything does change before the possibility of the spiller brothers coming across to race if they decide to Edited May 10, 2014 by The Scunthorpe bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I say it again, for once members of the BSPA, who seem to be quite happy over the years to give special dissension for spurious reasons, for once, do it for the good of the sport in the UK and actually help out a British rider who is being stifled here just for having had the ambition to ride EL 1-5 in his first season. And then we wonder why British riders take it easy and play it safe, it's because if you do try pushing yourself the regulations ** over. Â Seriously, let him double up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Has something gone wrong in the Lambert camp? Â At the team announcement supporters meeting back last year Lambert specifically said he'd have no time to ride Premier League due to riding commitments in the British EL + German and Danish leagues 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) I say it again, for once members of the BSPA, who seem to be quite happy over the years to give special dissension for spurious reasons, for once, do it for the good of the sport in the UK and actually help out a British rider who is being stifled here just for having had the ambition to ride EL 1-5 in his first season. And then we wonder why British riders take it easy and play it safe, it's because if you do try pushing yourself the regulations ** over. Â Seriously, let him double up! Â It would be an utter farce. Â If this was Poole wanting the same rule change you and many others would be up in arms. Â As it is, the BSPA have for once stuck the the rules. Â Lambert was fully aware of the rules at the start of the season, he was fully aware that by committing to the EL as he did he was ruling out a PL place. It was HIS choice to do that. Nobody stifled him in any way. Â I agree the rule should be looked at in the winter, but now is not the time to do it. Â Edited to add: Just seen Screamers post which shows Lambert had no plans at all to ride PL. Edited May 10, 2014 by BWitcher 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Â It would be an utter farce. Â If this was Poole wanting the same rule change you and many others would be up in arms. Â As it is, the BSPA have for once stuck the the rules. Â Lambert was fully aware of the rules at the start of the season, he was fully aware that by committing to the EL as he did he was ruling out a PL place. It was HIS choice to do that. Nobody stifled him in any way. Â I agree the rule should be looked at in the winter, but now is not the time to do it. Â Edited to add: Just seen Screamers post which shows Lambert had no plans at all to ride PL. If Newcastle was Poole - he would be riding for us on Sunday. The Rules would have been got round somehow. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 If Newcastle was Poole - he would be riding for us on Sunday. The Rules would have been got round somehow. :mad: Maybe so, but that doesn't make it right  We moan enough about rules being broken, now one is adhered too and still folk are attacking the BSPA: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Maybe so, but that doesn't make it right  We moan enough about rules being broken, now one is adhered too and still folk are attacking the BSPA: Only because they are NOT CONSISTENT in their decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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