Newcastle Drop Rosen....

[TheScotsman]

 

He's still on an assessed 3.00

 

Assessed for the EL though.

[HadrianDog]

Stupid rule I agree. It's why Ellis couldn't double up at Lakeside and Kerr at Coventry among others.

 

This one does make me sort of agree with Lambert that the BSPA are screwing him over. I know it's the rule but it's a stupid rule and IMO it should be dropped instantly. Let the lad double up. By doubling up at Newcastle you have to fancy he is committing to British speedway (now his GCSEs are over? As I assume they are about now) and cutting out a lot of the German stuff as Newcastle are a Sunday track.

 

C'mon the BSPA, do the right thing for once!

 

Gcse's are not over for seven long weeks, so a lot of work for the lad if he wants them.

[StevePark]

 

Assessed for the EL though.

 

Yeah, that is what I meant!

[2ndbendbeerhut]

It's British speedway so why not allow ALL the Brits from riding in both EL and PL if they want to? Special Dispensation for the right reasons and all that! 😎

[NJC71]

Firstly, it was clear changes had to be made. The team was just not strong enough at the top end and would have continued to be too vulnerable against teams with strong heat leaders. We were also not strong enough at reserve to compensate.

 

As ruthless and harsh as it was then, dropping both Christian and Anton to bring in King and Lambert was the right decision. A complete no brainer.

 

However with only King and a 3 pointer, it is not so clear cut. Yes we'll have the top end strength we so badly needed but we now have a very long tail.

 

I wonder if the promotion had committed to the change before the Lambert decision was made; that is my worry. If they have then they may have created a bit of a hole for themselves as options for another reserve look non existent.

 

If however they have gone ahead because they know a further change can be made in the near future then we'll have to wait and see what that is.

 

Perhaps the view is to change now and reassess when King gets a true average. A risky strategy as that will presumably take a while to happen.

 

Certainly no problem with making changes; I think it had to happen, jury still out though on whether this was the right move.

 

As an aside I can't understand why Lambert has been refused a double up role. Lewis Rose has assessed averages in both leagues. I don't see the difference.

Edited May 9, 2014 by NJC71

[StevePark]

Firstly, it was clear changes had to be made. The team was just not strong enough at the top end and would have continued to be too vulnerable against teams with strong heat leaders. We were also not strong enough at reserve to compensate.

 

As ruthless and harsh as it was then, dropping both Christian and Anton to bring in King and Lambert was the right decision. A complete no brainer.

 

However with only King and a 3 pointer, it is not so clear cut. Yes we'll have the top end strength we so badly needed but we now have a very long tail.

 

I wonder if the promotion had committed to the change before the Lambert decision was made; that is my worry. If they have then they may have created a bit of a hole for themselves as options for another reserve look non existent.

 

If however they have gone ahead because they know a further change can be made in the near future then we'll have to wait and see what that is.

 

Perhaps the view is to change now and reassess when King gets a true average. A risky strategy as that will presumably take a while to happen.

 

Certainly no problem with making changes; I think it had to happen, jury still out though on whether this was the right move.

 

As an aside I can't understand why Lambert has been refused a double up role. Lewis Rose has assessed averages in both leagues. I don't see the difference.

 

Lewis Rose is part of the 'Fast Track' scheme. Robert Lambert isn't.

[NJC71]

 

Lewis Rose is part of the 'Fast Track' scheme. Robert Lambert isn't.

Shouldn't matter. They are both young British riders. Current rules allow foreign riders to double up but won't allow a young British rider to. That is madness whatever the rule book says. Edited May 9, 2014 by NJC71

[Arson fire]

IOr has George dumped them right in the clarts.

id rather die trying than not at all.

 

Hats off I say. They had to do something to make speedway viable at newcastle for the rest of the season as we were already ' in the clarts ' IMO

[bigcatdiary]

 

 

As an aside I can't understand why Lambert has been refused a double up role. Lewis Rose has assessed averages in both leagues. I don't see the difference.

 

 

 

 

Rule 17.4.1.B

[StevePark]

Shouldn't matter. They are both young British riders. Current rules allow foreign riders to double up but won't allow a young British rider to. That is madness whatever the rule book says.

 

That's as maybe. I was just saying as to why it's been knocked back.

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

id rather die trying than not at all.

 

Hats off I say. They had to do something to make speedway viable at newcastle for the rest of the season as we were already ' in the clarts ' IMO

Shame, the original line up did look OK, sadly not worked out. Newcastle has always been good with a team in depth, hope it doesnt become top heavy, reserves are not as strong as they usually are at Newcastle.

[SCB]

I thought exams were over soon(ish)

 

As for Roberts PL average, IF he was to ride PL it would be 3. His EL average is not relevant. His EL average is only 3 because it cannot go any lower.

 

As before, come on members of the BSPA. Do the right thing for once. It's a stupid, pointless rule that serves no purpose.

[TheScotsman]

But once he gets an EL average (soon I assume) surely that needs to go through the conversion to get to a PL one?

[The White Knight]

Interesting move by Diamonds, obviously masterplan was king and lambert which on paper would have been a big improvement, now it's king and a 3 pointer the jurys out for me as to whether it gives the impact Newcastle fans would be looking for.

 

However at least it will give TWK the number 1 he wanted

WOW!! It certainly does. Good Luck to Danny - can't wait to see him Race.

 

probly still won't shut him up tho, lol

It definitely won't do that ruff.

 

Personally I would like to congratulate the Promotion on this bold move. Sadly, it seems, the Lambert part of the Plan doesn't seem to have come off, which is a pity. One thing you cannot say is that the Promotion have sat on their hands and done nothing. They saw that things were not going well early in the Season and set about putting that right, no complacency there at all. For this, I believe, they are to be commended.

 

I would also like to thank both Christian and Anton for their efforts. They have both entertained me. It is a great shame when you have to lose Riders so I wish both of them well for their futures.

 

Haaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy the 'Diamonds'.

[Nellie]

After Monday's meeting, his EL average will go to north of 5, notwithstanding a Lewis Kerr on Sky type evening. Obviously around nine is a very high converted average, but equally 3 is awfully low. I suspect a reasonable figure would be somewhere between the two, which he would still outscore happily.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Nellie

[Blacksmith]

As bigcatdiary has already pointed out the reason he wasn't allowed to double up is in rule 17.4.1.

No Elite League Club can have more than 2 doubling up riders, and as Kerr, and Rose are already doubling up, that rules any other Kings Lynn riders from doing so. (although there is also the issue regarding the assessed average.)

As Danny King pointed out in his interview in this weeks Speedway Star, his average was low enough to double up, but he was unable to as Ben Barker, and Edward Kennett were using up Birmingham's quota. (Until Kennett was replaced)

[CaptainAudi]

So what's DK's average after conversion? 10.5 or similar??

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

After Monday's meeting, his EL average will go to north of 5, notwithstanding a Lewis Kerr on Sky type evening. Obviously around nine is a very high converted average, but equally 3 is awfully low. I suspect a reasonable figure would be somewhere between the two, which he would still outscore happily.

surely a figure that he would outscore wouldnt be reasonable. A figure he woukd match would be reasonable!!

 

All irrelevant anyway as he wont be able to double up whatever his average if the regs are applied.

[screm]

I admire the Newcastle promotion for having the balls to make these changes as they obviously didn't want their season to drift along into nothingness. King should be a big scorer, not so sure about Greaves, maybe another rider could come in to boost the reserve positions.

 

Could someone like Paul Starke not be allowed to double up with Birmingham, though giving Newcastle already have a number of riders riding in the EL it could prove a nightmare with fixture clashes.

[The White Knight]

I admire the Newcastle promotion for having the balls to make these changes as they obviously didn't want their season to drift along into nothingness. King should be a big scorer, not so sure about Greaves, maybe another rider could come in to boost the reserve positions.

 

Could someone like Paul Starke not be allowed to double up with Birmingham, though giving Newcastle already have a number of riders riding in the EL it could prove a nightmare with fixture clashes.

I like Paul Starke - but would he want to ride for us again.