The Inconstancies In Refereeing

[hulvik]

First of all I’d like to congratulate the Monarchs on a good win today at the Eddie Wright Raceway. They rode well and were the better team on the day. But what was a good meeting was spoilt but the inconstant standard of referring by Barbara Horley who failed to call all four riders back after a rolling start in heat 11. Some people may say this is sour grapes on my part. But when a member of the Monarchs backroom staff openly admits the Ref should have called the race back, I’d like to think I have a point. Especially when the same ref was in charge of the National league match that followed and on at least 2 occasions called all 4 back for moving at the start even issuing a verbal warning to one ride.

But it’s not the first case of bad referring we’ve seen at Scunthorpe. Rolling starts and failing to put the red lights on while riders trapped under the air fence are only 2 that others that spring to mind.

Maybe it is time the SCB take a look at the standards of referring in this country

[Shale Searcher]

So, what would you do to try and improve the consistency of refereeing? Everyone sees races/incidents from different positions and viewing angles, would it be better with 2 meeting referees? One in the usual place and one on the centre green? Or is it just inexperience or poor training to blame....?

[secsy1]

Firstly having 2 referees would also play havoc as both could see different things as all supporters do!

 

What is hard to understand yesterday was not only the heat 11 debacle, but many inconsistency's in the following National League match.

 

Several heats were pulled back for starts with nothing wrong, 2 heats where riders fell were stopped and all 4 back when it was necessary to exclude the prime stoppage and when others fell in the same area they were excluded.

 

All in all a pretty poor day at the office for the referee, but we all have one some time, unfortunately for some its far too often.

[lucifer sam]

The rolling start was in Heat 13, not Heat 11, but agree with all the other points.

 

That race should have been stopped, while the NL meeting contained several races stopped for no good reason.

 

Ref had a shocker, then again this particular ref always does.

All the best

Rob

Edited May 6, 2014 by lucifer sam

[scunny1]

If we ever went down the line of "Referee's Assistant", in my opinion they need to be stood on bend 1 since thats where 75% of start incidents occur. That is first bend bunching, leaning on each other or just sliding off untouched.

[Fozzie4388]

The rolling start was in Heat 13, not Heat 11, but agree with all the other points.

 

That race should have been stopped, while the NL meeting contained several races stopped for no good reason.

 

Ref had a shocker, then again this particular ref always does.

All the best

Rob

 

You can't say that, The Poor Woman was at the important stage of her knitting.

[The White Knight]

 

You can't say that, The Poor Woman was at the important stage of her knitting.

OUCH!!! :shock:

[hulvik]

Think A second Ref be it stood on the centre green as a second pair of eyes would be good as for rolling starts a simple light beam along the white line would solve the problem if the beam is broken before the tapes are relased red lights automaticly put on

[weatherwatcher]

Think A second Ref be it stood on the centre green as a second pair of eyes would be good as for rolling starts a simple light beam along the white line would solve the problem if the beam is broken before the tapes are relased red lights automaticly put on

That could be to technical for the BSPA to carry on board. I agree the refs at some meeting are bad even at GP level, with so calls that ore so bad a 10 year old could make a better job of things.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

Let riders move, but if they touch tapes its an exclusion.

Or Transponders on the bikes would cure it aswell, Ref would instantly be informed if a flyer was made.

Edited May 6, 2014 by 2ndbendbeerhut

[ColinMills]

if the start marshall pulls them to the tapes, its where they should stay, rolling back is a clear indication of them doing a roller

[BangerBoy]

Let em roll and take a chance

 

if they touch tapes tough its their fault

[ColinMills]

really? 4 riders rolling?

[Dekker]

1) Refs are human - they make mistakes.

2) No 2 people see things the same way if placed in different locations

3) Hullvik is crying over spilt milk

[The White Knight]

1) Refs are human - they make mistakes.

2) No 2 people see things the same way if placed in different locations

3) Hullvik is crying over spilt milk

Doesn't alter the fact that the Referees should be striving for Consistency all the time.

[Dekker]

Doesn't alter the fact that the Referees should be striving for Consistency all the time.

 

They do thats why there's an observer at each match reporting back.

[The White Knight]

 

They do thats why there's an observer at each match reporting back.

Doesn't work very well then - does it?

[Shale Searcher]

Who'd be a referee!

Perhaps it's time to bring technology to the sport, especially for race starts..

Transponders on bikes? That would also generate accurate race times.. Would it be easier to let everyone roll at the start rather than preventing one from rolling? Don't know the answer except it's easy to punish the "perfect start" as we've seen as well....

Don't forget, the "first bend bunching, all four back" rule doesn't actually exist!! That's just a situation that's been handled like it is now for years and is totally at the referees discretion, just how far round the first bend it covers is also discretionary....... The referee doesn't have to exclude anyone, at any point of a race, apparently, but they always do once the first bend bunching area has been negotiated......

 

The above issues seem to be the most talked about and frequently got wrong by the modern referee, so let's see some serious suggestions/ideas to help cut the times these desisions are incorrectly made....

[xmas]

How much do refs get paid per meeting??

Edited May 7, 2014 by xmas

[BuxtonTiger]

Who are these observers, who appoints them? Are they at all meetings and if so where do they hide? What feed back do they give and when? - - - Can I become one?

Edited May 7, 2014 by BuxtonTiger