arthur cross Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Surely in terms of on track medical assistance all that's needed is a 4x4 or something to collect the injured rider like they do at Coventry. I'm sure even Coventry's 4x4 has quite a bit of crucial medical kit inside it to make sure it still satisfies the most basic level of "rapid response" requirement within speedway's rules for medical cover. What was scandalous about yesterday is that it appears the whole combination of co-promoter, stadium landlord and referee allowed heats to still take place (and therefore the potential for dreadful crashes to occur) while fully aware that there couldn't be any rapid response by any medical vehicle. All of which meant the actual level of rapid response amounted to how fast any medical staff could run to the wreckage while carrying what they'd had to assess in a matter of moments would be the right equipment to deal with the damage they were expecting to find. I know of one crash a few years ago where the track doctors and ambulance crew expected to find broken bones only to discover a rider bleeding very badly from a deep cut ... thankfully they had all the right equipment available to deal with either broken bones or serious blood loss and what was briefly an extremely scary situation was successfully dealt with (albeit with the rider concerned needing several days in hospital). I dread to think how horrible that scenario could've become if that rider's crash had occurred with yesterday's level of medical cover in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Where was Josh Bates yesterday? Josh has injured ribs after a nasty fall on Sunday, hence he wasn't fit to ride yesterday at Kent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) About a decade ago, wasn't a Conference League meeting between Rye House and Newcastle correctly delayed for a few minutes when the referee of that meeting noticed the ambulance was developing a flat tyre ? I wasn't there myself but remember a few who were in attendance reporting the referee on that occasion wouldn't let the action resume until the ambulance crew and pits mechanics had fitted the ambulance's spare tyre so that it would be fully operational in the event of being required to deal with any further crashes ... it was one of the most unusual delays, even by speedway standards, but fully understandable and appreciated once it was explained to the crowd. In contrast, today's reports from Sittingbourne that races were allowed to be run after it was clear the trackside ambulance would not be venturing onto the track itself is a scandalous state of affairs for which both the promoter and the referee should face separate serious investigations by the SCB ... the promoter being responsible for providing the correct facilities for the ambulance to be able to get onto the track while the referee's ultimately responsible for the running of the meeting in as safe a manner as possible given the obvious dangers of the sport. The insurance and legal repercussions would've been horrendous from a career-threatening (or worse) accident in which a rider's long-term health could clearly be proved to have been affected by ambulance kit not being available quickly enough to assist the victim because someone had decided that the ambulance couldn't be brought onto the track. In the short-term, whoever's the next referee at Sittingbourne must be instructed not to let that meeting go ahead until the ambulance driver, the promoter and the stadium landlord can all agree that there is smooth access for the ambulance onto the track ... meanwhile, I wouldn't blame any rider refusing to take part if today's scenario with the ambulance crops up again. If needed the ambulance goes onto the track ie in the Roynon case amd I imagine suspected back injuries but if it is a case ie Mon at Kent the car goes out almost like a triage if you will.I was at Workington when Ingalls had his smash and the way forward then was to leave him on the track till the county ambulance arrived as they concluded it would be better just to move him the once. Edited May 6, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 You should ask why people left early - BECAUSE THE MEETING TURNED INTO A FARCE. Fans would rather go to Elite meetings as they are much better run. I would much prefer to go to my local team (Kings) and would not have thought about not going last year,but after yesterdays DISGRACE I am seriously thinking about NOT going next Monday. AT THE END OF THE DAY KENT SPEEDWAY WILL BE THE LOSERS. Shouting and Crazy Text Please do not post in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS; this is the Internet version of shouting, and is irritating to many posters. Bad form AJ. Be passionate about your sport by all means, but let's have a little less aggression please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Am I missing something here? What's the point of coming onto this forum just to rip other people to shreds? I just don't see how that moves us forward. Surely what's important here is speedway. I can only assume that people who talk about withdrawing their support from their local team (if indeed this is their local team) have either never had their local track close, or have forgotten what it felt like. I forgot. I lost contact with the sport after Crusaders folded in 1987 and I actually forgot what it was to shout for my team, and to cheer my riders. To stand on the bend and duck as the bikes roared past. To get covered in dust and get hit by the flying shale. I even forgot about that wonderful smell! Until last year that is. I came, I saw, and I was immediately hooked all over again. I know I can't be the only one. Forget about the in-fighting and the back-biting and start getting positive for chrissakes. If you truly love the sport and have constructive ideas, tell your club. Don't just come on here all bitter and twisted, actually do something about it. Get involved. Edited May 8, 2014 by Kent Whistle Gang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted May 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Shouting and Crazy Text Please do not post in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS; this is the Internet version of shouting, and is irritating to many posters. Bad form AJ. Be passionate about your sport by all means, but let's have a little less aggression please. Go get a life. Am I missing something here? What's the point of coming onto this forum just to rip other people to shreds? I just don't see how that moves us forward. Surely what's important here is speedway. I can only assume that people who talk about withdrawing their support from their local team (if indeed this is their local team) have either never had their local track close, or have forgotten what it felt like. I forgot. I lost contact with the sport after Crusaders folded in 1987 and I actually forgot what it was to shout for my team, and to cheer my riders. To stand on the bend and duck as the bikes roared past. To get covered in dust and get hit by the flying shale. I even forgot about that wonderful smell! Until last year that is. I came, I saw, and I was immediately hooked all over again. I know I can't be the only one. Forget about the in-fighting and the back-biting and start getting positive for chrissakes. If you truly love the sport and have constructive ideas, tell your club. Don't just come on here all bitter and twisted, actually do something about it. Get involved. Things that went on in the meeting Monday were a disgrace and does Speedway and Kent no favours. If I see things go on I do not like I will say so and if you do not like it,tough. Leaving a rider by the track because a ambulance would/could not get on track is just not on. I was near the pits and it just seemed chaotic and more than once the water carrier went out on track and the riders were trying to stop this. There seemed little organisation and it was little wonder the meeting dragged on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Am I missing something here? What's the point of coming onto this forum just to rip other people to shreds? I just don't see how that moves us forward. Surely what's important here is speedway. I can only assume that people who talk about withdrawing their support from their local team (if indeed this is their local team) have either never had their local track close, or have forgotten what it felt like. I forgot. I lost contact with the sport after Crusaders folded in 1987 and I actually forgot what it was to shout for my team, and to cheer my riders. To stand on the bend and duck as the bikes roared past. To get covered in dust and get hit by the flying shale. I even forgot about that wonderful smell! Until last year that is. I came, I saw, and I was immediately hooked all over again. I know I can't be the only one. Forget about the in-fighting and the back-biting and start getting positive for chrissakes. If you truly love the sport and have constructive ideas, tell your club. Don't just come on here all bitter and twisted, actually do something about it. Get involved. stop underlining stuff , dont you know how irritating that can be 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted May 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 stop underlining stuff , dont you know how irritating that can be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted May 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Am I missing something here? What's the point of coming onto this forum just to rip other people to shreds? I just don't see how that moves us forward. Surely what's important here is speedway. I can only assume that people who talk about withdrawing their support from their local team (if indeed this is their local team) have either never had their local track close, or have forgotten what it felt like. I forgot. I lost contact with the sport after Crusaders folded in 1987 and I actually forgot what it was to shout for my team, and to cheer my riders. To stand on the bend and duck as the bikes roared past. To get covered in dust and get hit by the flying shale. I even forgot about that wonderful smell! Until last year that is. I came, I saw, and I was immediately hooked all over again. I know I can't be the only one. Forget about the in-fighting and the back-biting and start getting positive for chrissakes. If you truly love the sport and have constructive ideas, tell your club. Don't just come on here all bitter and twisted, actually do something about it. Get involved. Two more things from your post. You say I am all bitter and twisted - get involved - Last year I sponsored 2 riders - Is that all right for you ? And on Monday I met a friend there that sometimes goes to Eastbourne with his wife.She went to Central Park for the first time Monday - She said she will never go again !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Am I missing something here? What's the point of coming onto this forum just to rip other people to shreds? I just don't see how that moves us forward. Surely what's important here is speedway. I can only assume that people who talk about withdrawing their support from their local team (if indeed this is their local team) have either never had their local track close, or have forgotten what it felt like. I forgot. I lost contact with the sport after Crusaders folded in 1987 and I actually forgot what it was to shout for my team, and to cheer my riders. To stand on the bend and duck as the bikes roared past. To get covered in dust and get hit by the flying shale. I even forgot about that wonderful smell! Until last year that is. I came, I saw, and I was immediately hooked all over again. I know I can't be the only one. Forget about the in-fighting and the back-biting and start getting positive for chrissakes. If you truly love the sport and have constructive ideas, tell your club. Don't just come on here all bitter and twisted, actually do something about it. Get involved. I certainly didn't tear you to shreds and its a pity that others have resorted to abuse. I merely questioned your opinion and that's precisely what a forum is for. As I said, its up to you what you do with your money but I just do not accept this 'use it or lose it' argument because it totally absolves the promotion of any responsibility to actually attract people by putting on a good show. It means that they can run meetings like that shambles on Monday and still expect people to turn up, and that's not on. I'd say it is beholden on a promotion to put on something that people want to see or at least to give it their best shot. If they don't and punters get crap racing, stupidly drawn out meetings and little or no value for money and subsequently the track closes it would be nothing less than ridiculous to say that that is solely the fans fault. This thread is full of absolutely justifiable and entirely reasonable (if very strong) critical comment, so the feedback is there. If Kent Kings refuse to acknowledge, answer or respond to it (and their press officer has said that that is precisely what they will do), more fool them. Edited May 8, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Two more things from your post. You say I am all bitter and twisted - get involved - Last year I sponsored 2 riders - Is that all right for you ? And on Monday I met a friend there that sometimes goes to Eastbourne with his wife.She went to Central Park for the first time Monday - She said she will never go again !! AJ that particular post you're referring to wasn't about you specifically. That was a general post designed to get people to cherish the speedway they have, rather than threaten to throw it away. Well done for sponsoring riders last year - genuinely. However, Eastbourne! Really? I was at Arlington for the Eagles vs Arena Essex meeting (in 2004?) that finally persuaded Kelvin Tatum to retire from speedway. If I remember rightly, that meeting ran for over 4 hours due to poor organisation and lack of paramedic cover. The ambulance must have been on the track 4 or 5 times that day - more than some of the riders. Just 'cos it's Elite, don't make it perfect. All these things are relative and we need to keep them in perspective. We also need to be a bit more measured and respectful in this forum. We're all here because we love speedway right, not to troll our fellow contributors? I certainly didn't tear you to shreds and its a pity that others have resorted to abuse. I merely questioned your opinion and that's precisely what a forum is for. As I said, its up to you what you do with your money but I just do not accept this 'use it or lose it' argument because it totally absolves the promotion of any responsibility to actually attract people by putting on a good show. It means that they can run meetings like that shambles on Monday and still expect people to turn up, and that's not on. I'd say it is beholden on a promotion to put on something that people want to see or at least to give it their best shot. If they don't and punters get crap racing, stupidly drawn out meetings and little or no value for money and subsequently the track closes it would be nothing less than ridiculous to say that that is solely the fans fault. This thread is full of absolutely justifiable and entirely reasonable (if very strong) critical comment, so the feedback is there. If Kent Kings refuse to acknowledge, answer or respond to it (and their press officer has said that that is precisely what they will do), more fool them. With very few exceptions, I fully accept what you say here Halifaxtiger. I didn't feel your response to my post abused me in any way. Quite like your style actually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 How are the crowds this year compared to last ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 stop underlining stuff , dont you know how irritating that can be Guilty as charged speedibee. Got a bit carried away there myself for a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted May 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 How are the crowds this year compared to last ? Although in the report in the SS it says there was a "bumper" crowd v K.Lynn,I thought the crowd was disappointing, as v Mildenhall. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 From the center green it looked an average crowd but being a local derby i suppose a few more could have been expected, but also bear in mind the number of meetings on during monday,.. Some of you lads are coming on a bit strong with the personal stuff on here,, we are all Kent supporters and while i agree we all have the right to make constructive critism ,,and on this occasion i agree with most of it..We still need to keep our posts friendly towards those who may have a differing opinion... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 It's always harder for new tracks to maintain the crowd levels in their 2nd season. That's why it's so important to sort out the track problems as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Guilty as charged speedibee. Got a bit carried away there myself for a minute. this should have been your reply , Guilty as charged speedibee got a bit caried away there for a minute Edited May 8, 2014 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 If Kent Kings refuse to acknowledge, answer or respond to it (and their press officer has said that that is precisely what they will do), more fool them.Not the case. Any customer (and there's been a small number from both clubs...) who have emailed the club have had full and detailed replies promptly sent to them. I said that we will NOT discuss the club on the BSF not because any of the contributors to this particular debate aren't worthy of responses but because the BSF itself is an utterly bankrupt forum - one which condones bullying and has been abandoned by its so-called moderators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Not the case. Any customer (and there's been a small number from both clubs...) who have emailed the club have had full and detailed replies promptly sent to them. I said that we will NOT discuss the club on the BSF not because any of the contributors to this particular debate aren't worthy of responses but because the BSF itself is an utterly bankrupt forum - one which condones bullying and has been abandoned by its so-called moderators. If yourself as an individual (or the Kent Kings as a club) have such a dim view of this forum, why are you still adding to your tally over the years of more than 11,000 posts on this forum ? !! All it takes for you to leave what you regard as this "utterly bankrupt" place is for you to send this forum's administrators a quick message requesting your account to be closed. But to acknowledge in your post this evening that some of the contributions to this thread are worthy of a response, yet still choose not to make any response to those contributions, shows you up for a spectacularly blinkered and narrow-minded attitude of either yourself as an individual or the Kent Kings as a club. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonsDen Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 If yourself as an individual (or the Kent Kings as a club) have such a dim view of this forum, why are you still adding to your tally over the years of more than 11,000 posts on this forum ? !! All it takes for you to leave what you regard as this "utterly bankrupt" place is for you to send this forum's administrators a quick message requesting your account to be closed. But to acknowledge in your post this evening that some of the contributions to this thread are worthy of a response, yet still choose not to make any response to those contributions, shows you up for a spectacularly blinkered and narrow-minded attitude of either yourself as an individual or the Kent Kings as a club. Just for information purposes if you read all of those 11,000 + posts I can almost guarantee that there will not be one single post that goes against any form of speedway governing body. In addition there will be no posts against any promotion that he has/does works for despite the fact that sometimes they are clearly in the wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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