cowboy cookie returns? Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 While the sport is run by the idiots in charge (bspa) you have little chance of drawing in the punters full stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I've been thinking about this over the last couple of day's and the way forward seems clear. If you want an Elite League with Elite riders then you have to go to one night a week for Elite league racing with say 8 clubs & then let the rest form there own league set up where they can ride on any night apart from the night that the Elite run on. If not keep the 3 league set up but do away with riders doubling up & down. They key to the survival of the sport is first off attract new fans & sponsors & I am sure that you can only do this once the power of running the sport is taken away from the bspa & all the rules that we the fans & the outside world see as daft ie golden double's guests etc etc are gone. If the sport was well run then and new people got involved then more young kids would see it & maybe want to become riders then the more riders & fans you have the stronger the sport becomes the eaiser it is to fight to keep stadiums open & the more money you have to invest. I have just woken up & know that we shall just carry on the same path until speedway is a once a month sunday afternoon jolly up in the middle of know way for a few to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macinter Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I think the televised British domestic meetings we have seen so far have provided the best racing we have seen since SKY started to cover speedway racing, particularly the one from Peterborough. Certainly much better than the Swedish stuff on Eurosport. If speedway this good cannot attract new fans then it is difficult to se what will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 The BSPA, whether you like them or not, are just about the only people willing to put money into running the sport. Just how do you go about getting rid of them and keeping the sport? Â I can see the logic of having a neutral person to oversee the rules but the owners are never going to hand over all control of their businesses and who can blame them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) The BSPA, whether you like them or not, are just about the only people willing to put money into running the sport. Just how do you go about getting rid of them and keeping the sport? Â I can see the logic of having a neutral person to oversee the rules but the owners are never going to hand over all control of their businesses and who can blame them. Somebody like Bernie Ecclestone would be great for speedway! Interestingly, he was born in Bungay, Suffolk. Not a million miles from Norwich, possible he went to watch Norwich Speedway as a youngster! Edited May 10, 2014 by Ray Stadia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 The BSPA, whether you like them or not, are just about the only people willing to put money into running the sport. Just how do you go about getting rid of them and keeping the sport? Â I can see the logic of having a neutral person to oversee the rules but the owners are never going to hand over all control of their businesses and who can blame them. You are right, of course you are. Â And British Speedway will continue it's downward spiral. :sad: Â Sad but inevitable. Â What is needed is cooperation and a will to work together. What we seem to have is Self Interest and discord. Â An Independent Group overseeing Speedway would, to my mind, be the only way to go. Short sighted Promoters cannot seem to see that this could increase the Sport's popularity as everything would be seen to be fair and above board. Â As you say though Vince - it will never happen. Â Presently the Speedway Regulations seem to be made up on the back of a fag packet to the advantage of whatever Promoter feels that they need changing at the time to the benefit of his Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 An Independent Group overseeing Speedway would, to my mind, be the only way to go. Short sighted Promoters cannot seem to see that this could increase the Sport's popularity as everything would be seen to be fair and above board. Â Â Â What kind of decisions do you think an independent group would make that is different to the current set-up? Â For example, they would be largely be giving by what the clubs want/need, so for example a method of cost saving, which has lead to the draft list and many of this season's concerns. Â Likewise, if Sky says they want a double-point rule in order to sign a TV deal, the independent group would be in no position to refuse. Â Some people seem to think an independent committee is some kind of panacea to speedway's problems, but I am really struggle to see what actual specific difference it would make. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Â What kind of decisions do you think an independent group would make that is different to the current set-up? Â For example, they would be largely be giving by what the clubs want/need, so for example a method of cost saving, which has lead to the draft list and many of this season's concerns. Â Likewise, if Sky says they want a double-point rule in order to sign a TV deal, the independent group would be in no position to refuse. Â Some people seem to think an independent committee is some kind of panacea to speedway's problems, but I am really struggle to see what actual specific difference it would make. I agree MattK. An independent committee, in my opinion, just adds another level of decision makers, who just muddy the waters even more. look at the government and the quangos and the mess they cause and create additional cost. The simple truth, is not enough fans are going through the turnstiles. In my opinion, speedway on TV just makes things worse, for 2 reasons. It gives the real fans an excuse not to go to their local track and secondly, those potential new fans that might have gone along to their local track, are maybe turned off. As we fans know, speedway on TV is nothing like actually being there. I am not sure what the answer is, but without some kind of radical change, the situation is not going to improve. Â Perhaps league speedway in this country needs to have a complete revamp and have a massive rider cost cut, which will mean losing many stars to overseas tracks and build from the bottom up. Perhaps have the same mentality as a premier league football club that has been relegated all the way down to the second division, but has aspirations to return to the premier league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Â What kind of decisions do you think an independent group would make that is different to the current set-up? Â For example, they would be largely be giving by what the clubs want/need, so for example a method of cost saving, which has lead to the draft list and many of this season's concerns. Â Likewise, if Sky says they want a double-point rule in order to sign a TV deal, the independent group would be in no position to refuse. Â Some people seem to think an independent committee is some kind of panacea to speedway's problems, but I am really struggle to see what actual specific difference it would make. They could sort out warring Promoters for a start. They could stop some of the 'fiddling' that goes on. They could make sure that the Sport is run in an open and honest manner. They might even be able to prevent SKY from changing the Rules ie. Double Points, Playoffs etc. Â People seem keen to shoot down this idea of an independent body - but - nobody seems able to come up with suggestions that might help Speedway. I believe a truly INDEPENDENT body could help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 They could sort out warring Promoters for a start. They could stop some of the 'fiddling' that goes on. They could make sure that the Sport is run in an open and honest manner. They might even be able to prevent SKY from changing the Rules ie. Double Points, Playoffs etc. Â People seem keen to shoot down this idea of an independent body - but - nobody seems able to come up with suggestions that might help Speedway. I believe a truly INDEPENDENT body could help. Â So give an actual example of a recent issue that you think an independent body would have handled differently in order to reach a more satisfactory outcome to all involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 What kind of decisions do you think an independent group would make that is different to the current set-up? Â For example, they would be largely be giving by what the clubs want/need, so for example a method of cost saving, which has lead to the draft list and many of this season's concerns. Â Likewise, if Sky says they want a double-point rule in order to sign a TV deal, the independent group would be in no position to refuse. Â Some people seem to think an independent committee is some kind of panacea to speedway's problems, but I am really struggle to see what actual specific difference it would make. I am very surprised Matt , you surely are not that naive,if you go out with a couple of mates have a beer and debate sometimes we all tend to be bias have an agenda do you not think.?We all need that middle man person to intervene if this happened in speedway i believe over a period the sport would improve.The promoters pay the bills and put they're reputations on the line but if they're was a TOGETHERNESS in all leagues ( which we all know is sadly lacking) things could really improve but it will never happen in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Â So give an actual example of a recent issue that you think an independent body would have handled differently in order to reach a more satisfactory outcome to all involved? The Lambert situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I would love to see an independent body run the sport as I have already stated however even I will admit that it won't happen! But you do need to make the sport better run so I would suggest the following & yes it might cost a few quid but years of cut backs & doing things on the cheap have only given us lower & lower attendance figures so this is what I think. Each Elite & Premier league club to have a junior side that races after each match. If a club is missing a rider for what ever reason they can promote a Junior rider into the team or run with rider replacement but must name a number 8 no guests. Yes its going back in time but if the National league could run with no guests in the 1980s I sure we can now. If the Elite league is to be a true Elite league then it can only run on one day a week to try & bring back the star names I would allow Elite league reserves to double up with a Premier club & by having the Elite one day a week those rider could ride in all there clubs matches in both leagues although in time I would do away with this double up rule. No more double points go back to the old tac sub rule. Team managers would be able to have there top 5 riders ride in any position within the top 5 this & the tac sub rule would mean that the managers can manage the riders they have to get the best out of them. League points scoring 2 points for a win 1 for a draw & a bonus for winning over the home & away fixtures More over the same rules to apply over both leagues & a 45 point limit for team building as that is what is required to draw a match & that limit to be fixed year in year out. So that's it back to the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 The Lambert situation. Â What?? Â Are you serious WK?? Â Lambert is not allowed to ride in the PL.. as PER THE RULES. Â Yet despite all your bluster about being anti-rulebreaking, rule bending... now something involves your club you want the rule waived.. Â Utterly hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Â What?? Â Are you serious WK?? Â Lambert is not allowed to ride in the PL.. as PER THE RULES. Â Yet despite all your bluster about being anti-rulebreaking, rule bending... now something involves your club you want the rule waived.. Â Utterly hypocritical. Please read my latest Post on the Newcastle v. Peterborough Thread Matt and DON'T be so judgmental. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Please read my latest Post on the Newcastle v. Peterborough Thread Matt and DON'T be so judgmental. :mad: Â I've read it and respect it WK, but it baffles me why you keep raising the Lambert issue. Its a cut and dried rule. No foul play involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Â I've read it and respect it WK, but it baffles me why you keep raising the Lambert issue. Its a cut and dried rule. No foul play involved. I know - I only raised it on this Thread because MattK asked me how another body above the BSPA could help. I thought this was a good example (off the top of my head) - perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps I should have mention the Coventry/Peterborough situation of a few years ago - that would have been another one that an Independent body could have sorted out. Â I just take exception to being called names when I have already made myself clear regarding Rules. The suggestion that I am a hypocrite because I mention Lambert was, to my mind, out of line. Edited May 10, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 We should have Nigel and Kelvin running it, then we'd have "proper speedway." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Crew Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Have an independent body, but soon as a decision goes against a promoter and they threaten to shut up shop, what happens then? Â Would an independent body stand by and watch team after team fold? Â Speedway isn't a sport it's a load of businesses with contractors and hangers on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Have an independent body, but soon as a decision goes against a promoter and they threaten to shut up shop, what happens then? Â Would an independent body stand by and watch team after team fold? Â Speedway isn't a sport it's a load of businesses with contractors and hangers on. Don't get me started on folk who get in to Speedway for nothing. :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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