Poole V Belle Vue 7/5

[MrMungo]

I'll ask again the same question I asked earlier.

 

Was cookie infront going into bend 3?

Yes. And no. Ahead of Pawlicki but not in the lead.

Cook gated (insert Limp Bizkit lyrics if you wish). He did a Janowski round the first 2 bends (whitelined it) and hit the front out of bend 2.

Cigar & Pawlicki had rode wider on the first 2 bends, and Cigar carried that momentum & passed Cook down back straight entering bend 3. Entering bend 3, Belle Vue were on a 5-1, but Pawlicki had the better momentum on the outside.

[Red Panda]

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The ref made totally the right call...........I was close to where it happened.............Cook as I said before made a downright dangerous move deliberately fencing Pawlicki............

 

RP

[Steve0]

The ref made totally the right call...........I was close to where it happened.............Cook as I said before made a downright dangerous move deliberately fencing Pawlicki............RP

In your (not so) humble opinion. Others who were there too said it wasn't.

[Jonny the spud]

Which after god knows how many pages of anti Poole drivel just goes to show that different people see things differently

 

 

Which is why we have referees

[Shaleshifter]

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[Red Panda]

In your (not so) humble opinion. Others who were there too said it wasn't.

And you were there were you???????????? if you were then give your version of events.............I am pretty sure they will be different to those who were in close proximity to the incident..............

 

RP

[Steve0]

And you were there were you???????????? if you were then give your version of events.............I am pretty sure they will be different to those who were in close proximity to the incident..............RP

If you had taken the time to read and understand my post, I said that others who were there said it wasn't downright dangerous. So we have differing opinions - it doesn't make you right and them wrong and as Jonny the Spud said - that's why we have referees

[BritPete]

I blame Matt Ford.

[bluejigger]

An idiot would.

[LisaColette]

Cook was in front of Shamek therefore Cookie was entitled to ride where he wanted to. Pawlicki decided to ride the part of the track where the was no room to pass Cookie and I doubt Cookie was going to move off of his line and gift points to Poole. Like I said

this is just being blown out of proportion.

That's interesting considering you said earlier that you hadn't seen the incident..

[bluejigger]

Well, I was close to the referees box when that incident ocurred. The ref made absolutely the right decision as Craig was moving across into the rider alongside him. It was just as well it was the end of the air fence that Shamek hit or the result could have been more serious. Just as well it was Shamek because if it had been Craig Boyce.....

[Steve Shovlar]

Which after god knows how many pages of anti Poole drivel just goes to show that different people see things differently

Which is why we have referees

Haven't read from anyone at the meeting who says Cook wasn't in the wrong. pretty unanimous that the ref got it spot on and kicked the guy out of the race.

 

In your (not so) humble opinion. Others who were there too said it wasn't.

Who exactly?

 

 

And you were there were you???????????? if you were then give your version of events.............I am pretty sure they will be different to those who were in close proximity to the incident..............RP

 

Everyone there saw what happened. Cook fenced Pawlicki. Simple as that.

 

If you had taken the time to read and understand my post, I said that others who were there said it wasn't downright dangerous. So we have differing opinions - it doesn't make you right and them wrong and as Jonny the Spud said - that's why we have referees

 

So what part of fencing a rider at high speed isn't dangerous?

That's interesting considering you said earlier that you hadn't seen the incident..

Defending their hero is one thing. But even his sponsors hung their heads in shame. He clearly came to the tapes in a rage after being stopped for rolling at the first attempt. Then he verbally abused the start Marshall before going on to fence Shamek. Sounds like the guy is a total liability and a danger to other riders when things don't go his way. Didn't he get thrown out of a meeting last year at Ipswich?

 

Well, I was close to the referees box when that incident ocurred. The ref made absolutely the right decision as Craig was moving across into the rider alongside him. It was just as well it was the end of the air fence that Shamek hit or the result could have been more serious. Just as well it was Shamek because if it had been Craig Boyce.....

If it happened to Boycey Cook could expected a Boycey special.

[Red Panda]

If you had taken the time to read and understand my post, I said that others who were there said it wasn't downright dangerous. So we have differing opinions - it doesn't make you right and them wrong and as Jonny the Spud said - that's why we have referees

And if you had taken the time to read other posts in the thread then may be you will understand that others thought his actions were dangerous as well............

 

RP

[Aces51]

The ref made totally the right call...........I was close to where it happened.............Cook as I said before made a downright dangerous move deliberately fencing Pawlicki............RP

Yes but you also claimed he had done a similarly deliberate and dangerous move at Birmingham. I was there at that one and you are wrong. By way of confirmation look at the comments from Birmingham supporters on this forum after the match. There is no great outcry that Cook had done anything deliberately, in fact most of the comments are about how well he rode.

 

The reality is that we often see these incidents differently dependent on our allegiances. What I can say is that having watched this sport since the 50's incidents where riders fence others deliberately are thankfully, very rare.

 

Although there is one modern day rider who seems to be trying to change those statistics all on his own. 😬

Edited May 9, 2014 by Aces51

[John Leslie]

Cook was in front and entitled to pick his own line.

 

Pawlicki was behind and made a rash and desperate attempt to pass where there wasn't room....but hey, that's what all the young kids are doing these days.

[Steve Shovlar]

Yes but you also claimed he had done a similarly deliberate and dangerous move at Birmingham. I was there at that one and you are wrong. By way of confirmation look at the comments from Birmingham supporters on this forum after the match. There is no great outcry that Cook had done anything deliberately, in fact most of the comments are about how well he rode.

The reality is that we often see these incidents differently dependent on our allegiances. What I can say is that having watched this sport since the 50's incidents where riders fence others deliberately are thankfully very rare.

This has nothing to do with any other race at another track.

 

Yes you are right, incidents like this are very rare. last time I witnessed such a move, though possibly not as bad, was Nicki P on Matty Ferjan on the same bend several years ago. On that occasion NP just came in hard and smashed Ferjan out of the way, getting himself an instant exclusion.

 

Cooks was more calculated. He realised he was being passed around the outside so rather than concede his position he pushed, and pushed, and pushed, until there was no room and caused Pawlicki to crash into the fence. It wasn't like he tried to move out a bit. He went across virtually the whole track to do it. A shame there doesn't seem to be any footage of it floating around. That would shut up the people who are supporting Cook in this incident.

[John Leslie]

there was no room and caused Pawlicki to crash into the fence.

Maybe Pawlicki shoud invest in one of those new throttles that work both ways.

[SteveLyric2]

In your (not so) humble opinion. Others who were there too said it wasn't.

 

Who are these people who were supposedly there and saw it differently??

[Aces51]

Of course the incident at Birmingham has something to do with it. It reflects on the credibility of Red Panda's version of what happened at Poole. He wrongly claimed that the incident at Birmingham was another deliberate and dangerous move by Cook and it is the only example anyone has come up with, so far, to show that Cook has any history of deliberately fencing anyone.

 

As always you think that anything that didn't involved Poole can't be relevant.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Aces51

[SteveLyric2]

This has nothing to do with any other race at another track.

 

Yes you are right, incidents like this are very rare. last time I witnessed such a move, though possibly not as bad, was Nicki P on Matty Ferjan on the same bend several years ago. On that occasion NP just came in hard and smashed Ferjan out of the way, getting himself an instant exclusion.

 

Cooks was more calculated. He realised he was being passed around the outside so rather than concede his position he pushed, and pushed, and pushed, until there was no room and caused Pawlicki to crash into the fence. It wasn't like he tried to move out a bit. He went across virtually the whole track to do it. A shame there doesn't seem to be any footage of it floating around. That would shut up the people who are supporting Cook in this incident.

Re-Run Productions will probably have their best ever sales of this meeting DVD. If its available by next Wednesday I'm sure someone will post the relevant exclusion!

Of course the incident at Birmingham has something to do with it. It reflects on the credibility of Red Panda's version of what happened at Poole. He wrongly claimed that the incident at Birmingham was another deliberate and dangerous move by Cook and it is the only example anyone has come up with, so far, to show that Cook has any history of deliberately fencing anyone.

 

As always you think that anything that didn't involved Poole can't be relevant.

 

She!!!!