Poole V Belle Vue 7/5

[Aces51]

Great Ward addding Pwlicki to the tweet ..i bet he really know's all about splash and Tom Daley..bet it's big in Poland

Latest from Cookie to Rosco today

 

@AJROSCO I don't even need bait for this hook

[stevebrum]

Shovlars opinion of Cook is well known, so anything he says can be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

 

Big hater of Cook, that much is known. Not that anyone should anything he has to say with any level of seriousness.

 

 

 

That's quite funny when you consider what your team manager & Darcy have done on Twitter the last 12 months.

 

People in glass houses springs to mind or are you saying those 2 aren't profesional then?

 

 

 

Just shows the hypocrisy of the usual Poole excusers, if its Poole its OK.

[SteveLyric2]

I have respect for your postings. You seem to be referring to his response to the booing from the crowd rather than the incident with Pawlicki. I don't know what the reaction was but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

 

I know nothing of the history with Workington and I am not sure what you refer to at Ipswich. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

 

What I do know is that Belle Vue had a problem with his attitude when he first ride for us but Cook was man enough to admit he needed to change and has done so. Otherwise, he wouldn't be the Captain.

 

Cook can come in for criticism from some PL fans but that has always been the cross that the top dog in any division has to bear and at the moment he is head and shoulders above anyone else in that league.

 

I thought it might be that but I'm not sure what that has to do with any history of dirty riding.

As I stated I had previously no issues with Cook.

 

As most that know me are aware, I don't do Twitter so I was/am oblivious to what was 'tweeted'!! My reference to a lack of professionalism stemmed from witnessing the 'rolling' for which Bay City is renowned and the Pawlicki crash first hand and Cook did not even ride back to check he was ok or not - something that most decent riders do when an incident is not their fault as Cook apparently claimed!! It was something that his 2 sponsors also felt was wrong!!

 

It wasn't me using the term 'dirty rider' - I was just quoting from your post. It applies as much to a rider covered in shale as it does to racing unfairly or as it does to off-track antics.

[Aces51]

As I stated I had previously no issues with Cook.

 

As most that know me are aware, I don't do Twitter so I was/am oblivious to what was 'tweeted'!! My reference to a lack of professionalism stemmed from witnessing the 'rolling' for which Bay City is renowned and the Pawlicki crash first hand and Cook did not even ride back to check he was ok or not - something that most decent riders do when an incident is not their fault as Cook apparently claimed!! It was something that his 2 sponsors also felt was wrong!!

 

It wasn't me using the term 'dirty rider' - I was just quoting from your post. It applies as much to a rider covered in shale as it does to racing unfairly or as it does to off-track antics.

Come on!

 

I was referring to the on track incident with Pawlicki and virtually everyone would understand that a history as a dirty rider relates to riding incidents not gestures,verbal comments or disagreements in the pits.

 

So the bottom line is that none of the matters you raised show anything in his past to indicate that this may have been a deliberate act.

 

I assume you were equally critical of Hans Andersen's alleged rolling during his various times as a Pirate. I'm sure Shovlar would have mentioned it in every match report. 😂

Edited May 8, 2014 by Aces51

[Red Panda]

Come on!

 

I was referring to the on track incident with Pawlicki and virtually everyone would understand that a history as a dirty rider relates to riding incidents not gestures,verbal comments or disagreements in the pits.

 

So the bottom line is that none of the matters you raised show anything in his past to indicate that this may have been a deliberate act.

 

I assume you were equally critical of Hans Andersen's alleged rolling during his various times as a Pirate. I'm sure Shovlar would have mentioned it in every match report.

 

Can I ask were you actually at the meeting and saw the incident..............because anyone who was in as close proximity to the incident as I was would tell you it was a deliberate move by Cook............Shamek had no chance...........ref put the right exclusion light on as soon as the race was stopped..........

 

He has taken out other riders in the past one I can name is Tomasz Piczsz at Birmingham............

 

Not only that he got a public warning about his starting antics and messed up a double points ride..........seems after one race win he fell apart.............

 

I am just glad that Shamek was able to get up and walk away............

 

RP

[foreverblue]

Come on!

 

I was referring to the on track incident with Pawlicki and virtually everyone would understand that a history as a dirty rider relates to riding incidents not gestures,verbal comments or disagreements in the pits.

 

So the bottom line is that none of the matters you raised show anything in his past to indicate that this may have been a deliberate act.

 

I assume you were equally critical of Hans Andersen's alleged rolling during his various times as a Pirate. I'm sure Shovlar would have mentioned it in every match report.

The only issue i have with Cook is that he thinks he is world class and he clearly isn't.

[John Leslie]

The only issue i have with Cook is that he thinks he is world class and he clearly isn't.

 

He's better than all Poole's Brits......Kyle Newman and the invisible man.

[Steve Shovlar]

Can I ask were you actually at the meeting and saw the incident..............because anyone who was in as close proximity to the incident as I was would tell you it was a deliberate move by Cook............Shamek had no chance...........ref put the right exclusion light on as soon as the race was stopped..........

 

He has taken out other riders in the past one I can name is Tomasz Piczsz at Birmingham............

 

Not only that he got a public warning about his starting antics and messed up a double points ride..........seems after one race win he fell apart.............

 

I am just glad that Shamek was able to get up and walk away............

 

RP

I am struggling to believe that some people on here, who were not within a hundred miles of the stadium, think Cook was the innocent party. It was a blatant and disgraceful move, and one that got him an instant exclusion from the ref. He left Pawlicki with nowhere to go but down. Dirtiest move on a track I have witnessed for a long while. If it had been unintentional surely a rider who caused it would have come straight around to see if the rider they had wronged was OK. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes.

 

Just want to put something straight. I have never been anti Cook, I just don't like his rolling in every race and thank god Carrington picked him up on it. In his first heat he won it fair and square with no rolling. IN his next he got a massive roller and the ref rightly warned him. You could see he was having none of it when he returned to the tapes, trying to ignore the start marshall who was, via the ref, issuing the warning. The start marshall was clearly abused and just raised his arms and shoulders towards the ref in frustration.

 

Cook clearly has an issue and if I was a BV fan I would serious question if he is the right guy to be the club captain.

[Red Panda]

Actually did anyone else notice the ref flash the green lights to hurry them up on a number of occasions last night..............

 

RP

[BluPanther]

I am struggling to believe that some people on here, who were not within a hundred miles of the stadium, think Cook was the innocent party. It was a blatant and disgraceful move, and one that got him an instant exclusion from the ref. He left Pawlicki with nowhere to go but down. Dirtiest move on a track I have witnessed for a long while. If it had been unintentional surely a rider who caused it would have come straight around to see if the rider they had wronged was OK. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes.

 

Just want to put something straight. I have never been anti Cook, I just don't like his rolling in every race and thank god Carrington picked him up on it. In his first heat he won it fair and square with no rolling. IN his next he got a massive roller and the ref rightly warned him. You could see he was having none of it when he returned to the tapes, trying to ignore the start marshall who was, via the ref, issuing the warning. The start marshall was clearly abused and just raised his arms and shoulders towards the ref in frustration.

 

Cook clearly has an issue and if I was a BV fan I would serious question if he is the right guy to be the club captain.

That may be because no one believes a word that you post anymore...

[Aces51]

I didn't say Cook was innocent. I have set out the reasons why I have doubts about the credibility of some reports of the incident and pointed out that Cook has no history of being a dirty rider and mentioned Cook's comments on twitter. There is nothing on his history to suggest it would have been anything but unintentional.

 

As for claims by Shovlar not to be anti Cook the poor chap must be suffering from memory loss and no, I am not going to trawl through his multitudinous posts to find the relevant comments. We all know how he has previously criticised him.

 

The most notorious alleged roller of modern times is Hans Andersen. I am sure Shovlar will be able to put hand on heart and tell us how he constantly criticised him during his times with Poole.

 

As for choosing the Belle Vue captain, Shovlars input is noted but I suspect the Belle Vue promotion are in the best position to know who is best fitted for the job. Was Darcy Poole's captain?

[Red Panda]

I didn't say Cook was innocent. I have set out the reasons why I have doubts about the credibility of some reports of the incident and pointed out that Cook has no history of being a dirty rider and mentioned Cook's comments on twitter. There is nothing on his history to suggest it would have been anything but unintentional.

 

As for claims by Shovlar not to be anti Cook the poor chap must be suffering from memory loss and no, I am not going to trawl through his multitudinous posts to find the relevant comments. We all know how he has previously criticised him.

 

The most notorious alleged roller of modern times is Hans Andersen. I am sure Shovlar will be able to put hand on heart and tell us how he constantly criticised him during his times with Poole.

 

As for choosing the Belle Vue captain, Shovlars input is noted but I suspect the Belle Vue promotion are in the best position to know who is best fitted for the job. Was Darcy Poole's captain?

Correct Darcy was...........Maciej now is.............and Shamek is not the first rider he has fenced on purpose see my earlier post............

 

RP

[LisaColette]

The only issue i have with Cook is that he thinks he is world class and he clearly isn't.

Going on the comments on here, he seems to have the same attituide as Bridger had when he first started riding in EL. Bridger is a lot better now, let's see if Cook can do the same.

Still think he's an idiot though!

[Red Panda]

Good choice, he's got bottle and knows what to do with it, lol!

 

Surprised some smug poole fan hasn't posted a clip of cooks dirty riding, someone must have filmed it?

My phone battery went flat so could not...........but trust me it was all down to Cook being downright dangerous..........

 

RP

[LisaColette]

I am sure it was just hard racing from Cookie and that this is being blown out of proportion.

Yeah right. We need Jeremy Kyle to sort this one out! Or a Poole DVD!!

[Rob Dyer]

I am a Poole supporter and attended last night. I have to say that in my opinion Cookie brought this exclusion on himself - his total unwillingness to listen to referee Paul Carringtons instructions being relayed via the start marshall following his rolling start clearly annoyed the official who would (rightly or wrongly) have had that show of petulance in his mind when called upon to rule on a really hard racing incident just a few seconds later. I also think that Cookie had been taken by surprise to find Shamek appear at a faster speed on his outside shoulder and not wishing to concede the heat advantage he was sitting on with Matej Zagar, knowingly chose to squeeze the Pole out.

[Aces51]

Correct Darcy was...........Maciej now is.............and Shamek is not the first rider he has fenced on purpose see my earlier post............RP

I saw that post. I suspect you are referring to an incident in 2012 when Piszcz and Cook clashed in the reserves race at Perry Barr. Cook was excluded but I didn't see that as intentional.

 

In any event one incident when Cook was a reserve learning his trade hardly constitutes evidence that he has a history as a dirty rider. It does remind us how quickly he has progressed.

[Steve Shovlar]

I never had an issue with Cook before last night other than him getting away with being a roller. Certainly I critisised his rolling but never had cause to think of his riding as being "dirty".

 

Well my opinion changed last night, as it did for any fan in the stadium. Not only did he show disrespect by fencing a rider, but just as bad was the fact he never even bothered to go and see if the rider was OK.

 

If I had witnessed a Poole rider act in such a way I and I should imagine every Poole fan, would have been disgusted. The sport is dangerous enough without incidents like this.

Edited May 8, 2014 by Steve Shovlar

[Starman2006]

I never had an issue with Cook before last night other than him getting away with being a roller. Certainly I critisised his rolling but never had cause to think of his riding as being "dirty".

 

Well my opinion changed last night, as it did for any fan in the stadium. Not only did he show disrespect by fencing a rider, but just as bad was the fact he never even bothered to go and see if the rider was OK.

 

If I had witnessed a Poole rider act in such a way I and I should imagine every Poole fan, would have been disgusted. The sport is dangerous enough without incidents like this.

So far as Cookies rolling at the start is concerned, i think Referee's are now catching up with him Steve.

[Steve0]

Interesting discussion. I find it interesting that someone mentioned that Cook isn't worthy of being captain of a club when they have Darcy Ward as their captain (when he's fit) - pot, kettle, black springs to mind! (And I like Darcy)

 

The referee thought Cook was to blame for the incident so that's good enough for me as I wasn't there but we all know the referee gets it wrong sometimes. I don't think one racing incident makes Cook a dirty rider though. He does have a talent and he does appear to have self-belief and I can see the analogy others have made about Bridger. He is British and he is probably the best we have outside of Tai (who is going through his own nightmare so far this season) so let's hope he gets the support he needs to progress rather than vilified.

 

It seems that some Poole fans think it's ok that they hurl abuse and lambast the lad while expecting him to go back round and check on the fallen rider. I wouldn't have hung around on track either getting abuse hurled at me.

 

Time to move on - it was a racing incident...