DexterBeauregarde Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Frustrating is not the word. I would be happy to win home meetings and be in with a chance of an away point. I start a season hoping that we could scrape mid table but my hopes are dashed when I see our first few matches. For a moment I was excited that Adam Roynon became available but my hopes were dashed by reading a newspaper claiming the promotion cannot afford to run things right now, clearly that means no team improvements. My frustration is that we visit the SBA for entertainment and to be entertained and at the moment it just doesnt seem that the atmosphere is at the SBA. We dont entertain we scrape the points. To be honest and I dont like to single riders out but we have one guy flying at reserve and the other is expected to get nil points. He was dropped last year...why bring him back! Simota has been their and seen it and done it but can blow hot or cold!. We need to give Benko a chance they say and at home he can be exciting but away 5 rides and nil points just is not acceptable. The report said that the promotion listened to the supporters and put the team together, well all due respect but we didnt ask for an unknown rider from Hungry, and previously dropped rider??? There were so many riders available when we declared our team!! I feel also and this may be controversial but if you get a call from a respected ex rider regarding riding for your team (aka now Sheffield) you would consider it, but our Team Manager has no experience in the sport and is not respected. Look at Sheffield and us last year both very poor and this year, well the team and changes speak for themselves. I really dont want to be negative but the sooner the team become proactive and change things for the good of the team the fans will return, we all know that. Please stand up and listen!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Frustrating is not the word. I would be happy to win home meetings and be in with a chance of an away point. I start a season hoping that we could scrape mid table but my hopes are dashed when I see our first few matches. For a moment I was excited that Adam Roynon became available but my hopes were dashed by reading a newspaper claiming the promotion cannot afford to run things right now, clearly that means no team improvements. My frustration is that we visit the SBA for entertainment and to be entertained and at the moment it just doesnt seem that the atmosphere is at the SBA. We dont entertain we scrape the points. To be honest and I dont like to single riders out but we have one guy flying at reserve and the other is expected to get nil points. He was dropped last year...why bring him back! Simota has been their and seen it and done it but can blow hot or cold!. We need to give Benko a chance they say and at home he can be exciting but away 5 rides and nil points just is not acceptable. The report said that the promotion listened to the supporters and put the team together, well all due respect but we didnt ask for an unknown rider from Hungry, and previously dropped rider??? There were so many riders available when we declared our team!! I feel also and this may be controversial but if you get a call from a respected ex rider regarding riding for your team (aka now Sheffield) you would consider it, but our Team Manager has no experience in the sport and is not respected. Look at Sheffield and us last year both very poor and this year, well the team and changes speak for themselves. I really dont want to be negative but the sooner the team become proactive and change things for the good of the team the fans will return, we all know that. Please stand up and listen!! I'm struggling to see what exactly it is you expect . Your club got rid of an unpopular promoter and the current incumbants seem to have progressed the club . You've a tidy wee stadium , a track that offers up decent racing , you have the likes of Ben Barker in your septet . I fail to see what the big problem is . If the money isnt there , then you have to live within your means or fold . Would you rather drop back down to NL fare ? I honestly dont see what the big problem is . 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coomie Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Listin to my idea of a track halfway between Plymouth and Exeter,two sets of fans would make a good crowd,what happens to the money from mr leathbridge and mana delta?,should the worst happen and I prey it does not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Cook Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Fully agree with Dexter How can we as supporters be expected to put up with a rider that has no confidence at all and is nearly half a lap behind everyone he is racing. We are now going to be in a position that away from home we are going to get no points from our reserves. Simota has been inconsistent all season so far one week he has a good week then the following week he is awful for a rider who is as experienced as him then as fans we should not be getting this. Rasmus has had an indifferent start to the season but just when it looks like he is moving in the right direction yet again he will be missing this week. Alex Davies we have still heard nothing about him the lasty we heard was that he would be here in time for the start of the premier league season but as of yet no confirmation of this. Kyle newman just when he was looking like he would be improving he unfortunatly got injured. As far as the promotion is concerened for them to come out with what they have said this week is unbelievable why would you expect fans to pay to watch some of the poor performances that we have had this season where the riders have looked poor and inept with no passion and we continue with a rider who we let go last season due to him being so poor us as fans just want us to be competitive however we have not been treated to that too often. Our manager has made some very poor decisions this season but will not make any changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggertoo Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Listin to my idea of a track halfway between Plymouth and Exeter,two sets of fans would make a good crowd,what happens to the money from mr leathbridge and mana delta?,should the worst happen and I prey it does not They would be better off moving down to the heart of Cornwall were there would be support for a Premier side 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remembertheracers Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 What a shame to read this, Plymouth is a big city and the venue one of my favourites. To lose speedway and the Devils would be a tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 In the know same crap different name! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/plymouthdevils This isn't good. I agree with Paulco, though. Plymouth have a good stadium, one of the best racing tracks around, a young attractive team and a promotion who have restored the club's reputation. That's better than most. Its clear that Reade is struggling and while I don't blame the promotion for giving him another shot a change is needed. We'll see. Edit : Look at the match against Somerset. 10 points behind to 10 points in front with some cracking racing thrown in. Precisely what do you want ? Edited April 29, 2014 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Cook Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Lewy no it is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 It's cheaper to run with a poor team, do these promoters just expect to put out any old mob and punters will pay regardless? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 It's cheaper to run with a poor team, do these promoters just expect to put out any old mob and punters will pay regardless? Fans aren't fooled by cheap teams - ask Sheffield about that one. I can say that their 2012 team done on the cheap in the end cost them very dearly. I don't think they put out 'any old mob'. Remember when Lemon was dropped ? That was a response - unquestionably a very good one - to fans reaction. Barker was the rider everyone down there wanted and they got him, Katajisto has been an excellent signing, and Newman has been riding as well as ever. Jensen has been a bit disappointing but Benko has shown some promise. I think that one change - sadly, it will be Reade - and Plymouth could be a very decent side. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Two large ladles being wielded here, I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 What is sad is that I use to go each and every week and as such was my disappointment at the initial team announcement and visiting on only one occasion this year I'm afraid to say my expectations of disappointment were realised!! The meeting I witnessed in my opinion was poor and it was pretty much follow the leader with not much passing and all in all there was little by the way of entertainment which told me not to return the following week! It's a shame that now my opinion is of 'take it or leave it' but if a few changes were made then quite possibly I may return and it's punters like me the promotion need to entice back! I do have ideas but im not a promoter and I doubt my opinion would even be respected! By the way if anyone is reading this from the devils forum you can guess who it is lol and if Rogero is reading. .copy and paste this onto the forum as I deleted my account lol Is this what you call Supporting your Club? Well I'm sorry but it isn't mine. You support your Team through thick and thin - OK you are going through a thin time at the moment - THAT is when you Support is MOST needed. If many 'Devils' Supporters react like you - then there will probably be NO Speedway at the St. Boniface Arena next Season and that would be a tragedy. Every Track has a bad Season - you are NOT alone in that. At least you have Speedway in your City (at present) - I don't in mine - and haven't had for FORTY years. When I think of all those super Plymouth Supporters I have met at Newcastle over the last couple of years - you are letting them down as well as the Club. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ss you have been once this season and it was not a good meeting,but apart from that its been very good entertaining matches,i hope you dont stand on the back straight if you do attend because i the unsafe stand you refer to might not take the weight of the masssive chip on your shoulder!remember what the the facilities were like before much improved now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ys07 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 How can such a strong opinion be formed after watching one meeting? Every track has the odd meeting where it's all gate and go, some more than others, so it's stupid to think that it'll be like that all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 An air fence is required at every track that runs a single speedway race and the effective place to pout an air fence is on the bends, it wont do much good on the centre green. Sight lines were checked by people who very varying heights to see if it was a barrier to seeing the on track activity of the riders, in their opinion viewing is the same now as before. The back straight stand structure is made up of welded steel tube and was assembled by a contractor who does similar structural steelwork for one of Britains major supermarket chains, is the correspondent who implies it is unsafe really saying that the previous structure which was made from left over off cuts of someones garden fence really preferable. Oh by the way it has been checked and approved by PLymouth City Council structural engineers, maybe his real objection is the name on the stand he probably thinks it should be called The Adam Bowden stand or only consist of two levels so it could be called the Bi Polar stand. Alex Davis absence entirely outside the control of Plymouth Speedway 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) So White Knight you're telling me to go and watch the devils at any cost and spend my hard earned cash even if the entertainment is poor? Give me a break and be a realist when they're significant alternatives for myself and my family to spend our money on a Friday evening! If the devils had a product at present which was value for money and was as enjoyable as it once was and subtle changes were made then quite possibly I would go but until then the opposite! As you have pointed out if Many Supporters reacted like me then there would be no speedway, well I can't be alone in the way of my thinking because if you ever visit regularly you would quite clearly see for yourself! At the end of the day, speedway is an entertainment business. It is for the promotion to put out a product that paying customers want and, if they don't, then if the business fails its at least partly their fault. Speedway, in my experience, doesn't attract the level of loyalty that (for example) football does. Having said that, I think you are wrong about what the promotion at Plymouth has (or hasn't) done. Everyone wanted Barker: you got him. There were loud complaints about Lemon being re-signed and Jensen left out; that was reversed. Katajisto has been a huge success and Newman was just starting to put it all together. Reade has been disappointing but I don't blame the promotion giving him another shot, and Benko was worth more than he got at Scunthorpe. You have , in my opinion, one of the best racing tracks in the country down there with a terrific little stadium (again, largely down to the current promotion) with some of the best viewing around. It would be fair to suggest that the team hasn't performed as expected, so I think that on the whole the promotion deserve to be cut a bit of slack. Finally, I am wondering just what you want. 10 points down against Somerset to 10 points up with some top racing thrown in, apparently. To me, it doesn't get better than that..............unless all you are bothered about is the team winning and not really interested in how they do it. Edited April 30, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 So White Knight you're telling me to go and watch the devils at any cost and spend my hard earned cash even if the entertainment is poor? Give me a break and be a realist when they're significant alternatives for myself and my family to spend our money on a Friday evening! If the devils had a product at present which was value for money and was as enjoyable as it once was and subtle changes were made then quite possibly I would go but until then the opposite! As you have pointed out if Many Supporters reacted like me then there would be no speedway, well I can't be alone in the way of my thinking because if you ever visit regularly you would quite clearly see for yourself! You purport to be a Plymouth 'Devils' Supporter. I maintain you are NOT!!! Supporting your Team is more than just watching it win week to week, or alternatively lose. It is about involvement. You don't go often enough to get involved. You make judgement on ONE Meeting only - that can hardly be a fair judgement can it? IF your Speedway Club were getting your (and others) money each week - they could try to improve things - if they don't - then it will be finished. Then it will be YOUR fault (not on your own obviously, but you and those like you) - you will not be able to blame anyone else. If the Speedway did close I imagine you being one of those who moans - we have NO Speedway. Well - the answer is in your own hands - USE IT OR LOSE IT. Do NOT complain about those who are doing their utmost to keep Speedway alive in Plymouth. They are a great bunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-D Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I still think it is odd they run most Fridays against the localish Somerset. That must affect both tracks attendances. I am often in Devon for the weekend and it really annoys me i cannot got to speedway on both Friday and Saturday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I still think it is odd they run most Fridays against the localish Somerset. That must affect both tracks attendances. I am often in Devon for the weekend and it really annoys me i cannot got to speedway on both Friday and Saturday. Speaking solely for myself, I agree. I would certainly go to both when I am on a southern tour but can usually only do one (Somerset this Friday) although I try to fix it that I attend when they race against each other. They are 100 miles or so apart, though so I don't see too many of the locals taking in both meetings. It used to be worse as Weymouth rode on Fridays too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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