Dekker Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 because Sheffield released a statement saying they'd signed proctor and released roynon... Only in speedway lol The PR said subject to approval..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 No doubt it will come out that Sheffield have worked within the rules somehow , but the whole sorry episode stinks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 would assume yes, which explains the talk of protests. you can no longer ride under protest about a team line up. Regulations have been amended for this year. Any protest has to be before the meeting and the official decision nade re elligibilty is final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 It's clear the Richard Heads that are now running Sheffield announced their team changes before they were approved. does anybody know why the proposed team change haven't gone ahead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 It's clear the Richard Heads that are now running Sheffield announced their team changes before they were approved. does anybody know why the proposed team change haven't gone ahead? Even if thats true, it means no facility should be allowed tonight. Luckily it only scored than 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 good to see Roynon missed by Sheffield tonight, he would def have scored more than r/r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 good to see Roynon missed by Sheffield tonight, he would def have scored more than r/rwhat makes you think that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 think he would have scored more than r/r did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 think he would have scored more than r/r did a point or 2 maybe, but not what a HL should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 Why was the facility of RR allowed for Roynon when he had been sacked and not out injured or deemed to be withholding his services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 Why was the facility of RR allowed for Roynon when he had been sacked and not out injured or deemed to be withholding his services I would imagine down to a BSPA Management Committee cock up. Sheffield were initially granted written permission to use Rider Replacement for Ty Proctor on Friday. The Berwick Promotion, raised an objection on the afternoon before the match, and it was then decided that Sheffield would have to use Rider Replacement for Adam Roynon. Question is who from the Management Committee gave Sheffield written permission to use Rider Replacement for Ty Proctor. I would assume that someone from the Management Committee gave written permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 I would imagine down to a BSPA Management Committee cock up. Sheffield were initially granted written permission to use Rider Replacement for Ty Proctor on Friday. The Berwick Promotion, raised an objection on the afternoon before the match, and it was then decided that Sheffield would have to use Rider Replacement for Adam Roynon. Question is who from the Management Committee gave Sheffield written permission to use Rider Replacement for Ty Proctor. I would assume that someone from the Management Committee gave written permission. Had Proctor ridden for Sheffield last Thursday then r/r would've been for him in the meeting last night, and all within the rules as he was required for his EL club, so no problem there. Quite how Sheffield were let away with r/r for Roynon last night is quite bizarre, afterall it was Sheffield who sacked him. Maybe Sheffield re-declared their 1-7 again to include Roynon on Friday, with Roynon refusing to ride, that would mean he was withholding his services and Sheffield were granted r/r. That means Roynon cops a 28-day ban and Sheffield can re-declare their team, this time to include Proctor and everyone's happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 (edited) Can a club sack a rider and then put him back in the team without his permission? Is he not a free agent if sacked and would need to be signed again? Something similar happened with the Comets and James Wright, they sacked him, couldn't sign Piszc (I think) and James rode in the next meeting, very well too. Edited May 4, 2014 by comet49 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Can a club sack a rider and then put him back in the team without his permission? Is he not a free agent if sacked and would need to be signed again? Something similar happened with the Comets and James Wright, they sacked him, couldn't sign Piszc (I think) and James rode in the next meeting, very well too. There`s probably a rule with a sub-section that would stop that happening, but on the face of it I don't see a problem, which is the point, if Sheffield offered the chance for Roynon to come back into the team, and he refused then they quite within in the rules to claim Roynon as withholding his services and get R/R at Berwick last night. Subsequently Roynon should now be banned for 28-days for doing so. All we want is a bit of clarity, from either the BSPA or Sheffield Speedway. Both have websites so its not like they cant make a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 I read somewhere that Sheffield weren't told that they couldn't use r/r for Proctor until 20 minutes prior to the meeting - would have been harsh for us not to have some form of facility given permission had apparently been given for Proctor and then not being informed that the decision was reversed. Only in speedway could a decision like that be taken one day and reversed at a point in time when the effected team could do bugger all about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Come on! You can't ban Roynan for 28 days! He was sacked last week so surely that ends his contract with Sheffield. If they re-declare with him back in the team they surely must have his agreement to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 I read somewhere that Sheffield weren't told that they couldn't use r/r for Proctor until 20 minutes prior to the meeting - would have been harsh for us not to have some form of facility given permission had apparently been given for Proctor and then not being informed that the decision was reversed. Only in speedway could a decision like that be taken one day and reversed at a point in time when the effected team could do bugger all about it From the 2014 Speedway Regulations: Rule 16.5.3 No facility is permitted to replace a rider, who although included in a re-declaration has not made an appearance for that team since being re-declared. Come on! You can't ban Roynan for 28 days! He was sacked last week so surely that ends his contract with Sheffield. If they re-declare with him back in the team they surely must have his agreement to do so? If Sheffield re-declared him back into their 1-7, then he should've been at Berwick last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 You can't just re-declare with a rider in the team after you have publically announced his removal from the team the week before. Well I know you can, but it's totally wrong. No way should Roynan be banned for last nights fiasco. Otherwise anyone can declare anyone in their team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 From the 2014 Speedway Regulations: Rule 16.5.3 No facility is permitted to replace a rider, who although included in a re-declaration has not made an appearance for that team since being re-declared. Perhaps you could reproduce the bit about timescales for team line up notifications and protests. IF Sheff were only told of the decision to reverse the facility for Proctor 20 mins before the start this is outside the regulatory timescales. The final decision to allow r/r for Roynon was therefore probably a compromise due to both clubs technically being on the right side of the regulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 when did this dropping people left right and centre start? All for the sake of what? I don't think its healthy and i don't think its fair. Obviously it needs to happen very occasionally but it seems like everyones turning into Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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