stevebrum Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) You would think and hope Bates will be rated higher than Smart when included in the list. With Smart 14th on the list i can only see Bates rated lower sadly. Can anyone remember which number he was on the original draft? From 29th November ------The full list of riders available, in order of ranking, is as follows: Lewis Kerr, Jason Garrity, Kyle Newman, Lewis Blackbird, Stefan Nielsen, Adam Ellis, Ashley Morris, Paul Starke, Joe Jacobs, Tom Perry, Simon Lambert, Steve Worrall, Lee Smart, Ben Reade, Josh Bates, Daniel Halsey, James Sarjeant, Ben Morley, Ben Hopwood, Lewis Rose, Max Clegg, Darryl Ritchings, Dan Greenwood. So with Smart absent it looks like Bates SHOULD be rated higher. Edited April 25, 2014 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) With Smart 14th on the list i can only see Bates rated lower sadly. Can anyone remember which number he was on the original draft? From 29th November ------The full list of riders available, in order of ranking, is as follows: Lewis Kerr, Jason Garrity, Kyle Newman, Lewis Blackbird, Stefan Nielsen, Adam Ellis, Ashley Morris, Paul Starke, Joe Jacobs, Tom Perry, Simon Lambert, Steve Worrall, Lee Smart, Ben Reade, Josh Bates, Daniel Halsey, James Sarjeant, Ben Morley, Ben Hopwood, Lewis Rose, Max Clegg, Darryl Ritchings, Dan Greenwood. So with Smart absent it looks like Bates SHOULD be rated higher. So Bates is lower than Lee Smart. Poole should be allowed to swap them but If anything, It weakens them as Smart is higher in the rankings Edited April 25, 2014 by Liam Gallagher Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 If list is revised (taking in to account Form as Morris stated) then Bates will def be higher than Smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 If list is revised (taking in to account Form as Morris stated) then Bates will def be higher than Smart Form is very subjective, for me you have to use the list at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 If list is revised (taking in to account Form as Morris stated) then Bates will def be higher than Smart Absolutely. As he was in the top 20 first draft list there is no reason why he would be ranked lower than Smart. No doubt `it will be in the best interest of Speedway if he is ranked lower and Poole can therefore sign him`. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Absolutely. As he was in the top 20 first draft list there is no reason why he would be ranked lower than Smart. No doubt `it will be in the best interest of Speedway if he is ranked lower and Poole can therefore sign him`. Well to keep things relevant to this thread, whatever happens longer term - it won't be Bates for Smart on Monday, as he's not available or on the FT list til 1st May according to article in SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Bates is lower on the list than Smart. It was said at the meeting to chose draft riders that Matt Ford took a long time in choosing Lee Smart. When Matt Ford chose Smart he chose "smartly". Matt Ford said at the time he knew very little about Smart but from a tactical viewpoint if it didn't work out it would leave more scope to manoeuvre. Josh Bates is a lower in the draft so if Poole wanted him he would probably be available. No rules broken, just a swap from the draft pick, once Bates is available. Now before anyone jumps on this, I am speculating that Poole want Bates. And remember, if Smart is dropped, he returns to his position in the draft list of available riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 If Poole can replace Smart with Bates, it would make perfect sense. Team changes are a fact of life in all sports, and there is no doubting Pirates are masters of that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just a thought Ben Reade is having a hard time and on the original list Bates was lower than him and with Bates living in or near Sheffield i would think that If Belle vue and i say if wish to release Ben i think Belle vue would have a better chance of signing him than Poole but what do i know time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Amazing that all these posts are about a rider who has barely scored a point in the Premier Lge this season. Just goes to show how much the draft riders dictate meetings this season. Bates is lower on the list than Smart. It was said at the meeting to chose draft riders that Matt Ford took a long time in choosing Lee Smart. When Matt Ford chose Smart he chose "smartly". Matt Ford said at the time he knew very little about Smart but from a tactical viewpoint if it didn't work out it would leave more scope to manoeuvre. Josh Bates is a lower in the draft so if Poole wanted him he would probably be available. No rules broken, just a swap from the draft pick, once Bates is available. Now before anyone jumps on this, I am speculating that Poole want Bates. And remember, if Smart is dropped, he returns to his position in the draft list of available riders. A very clever move by Matt when you compare what Swindon did when Josh left & they got Darryl in who was so much lower in the list & then when he got injured we were so limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Bates hasn't done an awful lot in the PL yet this year but his U21 win shows the potential he has. If Poole do sign him OIhave no doubt he will develop over the season and make quite a difference over Smart. I still stand by original comments that one he unpicked himself from Swindon he should sit out this year and return to the draft in 2015. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 would be an injustice if that happened , swindon picked bates first , if he chose pl instead then he shouldnt be allowed to crash the draft list now , seems the strong can get stronger and the weak get weaker not the way to run a successful league , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) Bates hasn't done an awful lot in the PL yet this year but his U21 win shows the potential he has. If Poole do sign him OIhave no doubt he will develop over the season and make quite a difference over Smart. I still stand by original comments that one he unpicked himself from Swindon he should sit out this year and return to the draft in 2015. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but why keep repeating it when it ain't gonna happen!!! Edited April 26, 2014 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just to round off my point really and put it on record on this particular thread where the discussion had developed if it's OK with you bossy boots Replacing a no hoper who has a modest NL average with the British U21 champ will probably go down as one of Lord Ford's best ever fiddles. No wonder Smart was graded so high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I wonder how man y pages a thread would run if Poole signed Bates, compared to say if he went to Belle Vue or Eastbourne instead. Have a feeling this bates to Poole rumour is no more than that. It has no substance at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I wonder how man y pages a thread would run if Poole signed Bates, compared to say if he went to Belle Vue or Eastbourne instead. The difference is that Belle Vue and Eastbourne haven't declared "guest TBC" in place of one of their reserves for no reason. And Belle Vue and Eastbourne haven't got a history of making highly dodgy rule bending changes to their teams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 As Skidder said though, Bates won't be joining Poole. So a waste of time posting about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 As Skidder said though, Bates won't be joining Poole. So a waste of time posting about it. Master Bates would have been ideal for Poole.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Master Bates would have been ideal for Poole.... Now that would be a good new name for the multi poster from Peterborough and elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) Bates won't travel to poole for his home meetings so forget poole signing bates Edited April 26, 2014 by Phil The Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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