Steve Shovlar Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think we've had enough of 'where was Lee Smart' and 'will Ward replace Holder', it will all be covered up like the Lakeside postponement last season, time to move on. Let's lighten the tone and go back to the Cook v Janowski debate. I know it is a bit daft trying to compare the two riders but there has been a bit of fuss over who is better between a PL double upper who first sat on a speedway bike 5 years ago and a Polish international GP and World Cup superstar, lol! Stick 'em on a proper race track and measure how many metres Magic is in front after four laps. One thing being a roller on a trick track and the other a rider who score double figures every week in the Polish top flight. How would Cook score in the extraleague? Come the playoffs Janowski is a much better bet, especially if we have to go to Kings Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Whatever happened to smart was not a last minute thing as the no 7 berth was left blank in the programme so from whenever the prog was printed they knew that Smart would not be there. So Fords quote in the echo that he anticipates Lee Smart will be available seems very strange as he knew that he would not be there Not that it matters now as Belle vue won anyway but Ford being speedway savy would have known that Greenwood was the better choice he has a place in the Prem league while Smart does not +he has a 1.13 point better average in the Nat league so whatever his draft pick position Greenwood is the better rider and his 5 + 1 point score tonight proves it.Hope that we find out why Smart was missing because not knowing leads to thought such as these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 There was silence until the result was announced because it was obviously a close call. When it was announced it was meet with loud cheers. Typically biased newspaper reporting which can be found in most local press. I was stood on the line and looked like Zagar had got it so not a massive surprise when it was announced. Fantastic effort from Pawlicki for four laps to cover the outside line. Best race of the night for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastword Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Stick 'em on a proper race track Dear oh dear Mr. S. Is this the best that you can do? See my post above..................the humility part applies to you too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Stick 'em on a proper race track and measure how many metres Magic is in front after four laps. One thing being a roller on a trick track and the other a rider who score double figures every week in the Polish top flight. How would Cook score in the extraleague? Come the playoffs Janowski is a much better bet, especially if we have to go to Kings Lynn. 'Roll on' the play-offs then - lets hope BV are in one of the play-off places!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Whatever happened to smart was not a last minute thing as the no 7 berth was left blank in the programme so from whenever the prog was printed they knew that Smart would not be there. So Fords quote in the echo that he anticipates Lee Smart will be available seems very strange as he knew that he would not be there Not that it matters now as Belle vue won anyway but Ford being speedway savy would have known that Greenwood was the better choice he has a place in the Prem league while Smart does not +he has a 1.13 point better average in the Nat league so whatever his draft pick position Greenwood is the better rider and his 5 + 1 point score tonight proves it.Hope that we find out why Smart was missing because not knowing leads to thought such as these. Has no one thought he could have got injured while practising? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 ......My view is this to all the anti Poole keyboard warriors out there take a look closer to home at how your clubs are run Too many of you have rose tinted glasses on when it comes to your own clubs....... I do. CVS gets both barrels from me frequently, probably to the annoyance of some of my fellow Wolves. Rose tinted glasses? You do irony extremely well. 2 former popes were elevated to sainthood at the weekend, neither of them was Matt Ford. The absence of Lee-Smart has kicked up a storm and seems to have started a witch-hunt. Witch hunt?? I've checked their 2014 thread and he doesn't appear to have signed for them. Also the alleged average dropping by Chris Holder........ Total rubbish. If Holder was dropping his average to achieve what some believe is afoot as others have said it would mean he'd have to be scoring 2 or 3 a match. I think we'd notice Redeclaration or injury replacement, that's the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Stick 'em on a proper race track and measure how many metres Magic is in front after four laps. One thing being a roller on a trick track and the other a rider who score double figures every week in the Polish top flight. How would Cook score in the extraleague? Come the playoffs Janowski is a much better bet, especially if we have to go to Kings Lynn. ah so what you are saying is that Janowski is good on big fast tracks but not others. That must mean Cook is the better rider technically as he is able to ride the difficult tracks. This is why Janowski will never amount to much, ceratinly nowhere near the class of a Gollob, Hampel or Kasprzak. Take KK for instance. Wins the gp on saturday on a fast racers track yet has a good record at Cardiff. Can you imagine Magic at Cardiff lol 0,0,0,0,0. So because Magic will beat Cook in Poland he is the better rider holds no substance. Cook would show Magic a clean pair of heels on most elite league tracks with Kings Lynn and Poole being the obvious exceptions. I await the answer that Magic is a world cup winner..........in his own backyard. lets see Cook take on Janowski at Belle Vue, Wolves, Lakeside, Eastbourne, Swindon, Coventry i know who i would favour. but because Janowski has fast bikes on the big polish circuits but is unable to change his style or set up he is the better rider. you do write utter garbage Both Pawliicki brothers are better riders than Janowski and i would imagine both will be in the gp's before him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Has no one thought he could have got injured while practising? Lol Very good of BV to anticipate that when they printed the programme!!! Edited April 29, 2014 by dj350z 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Janowski could laern how to ride small tracks from Piotr Pawlicki and how he has mastered Wolves. Either Janowski isnt as talented or cant be bothered which is it? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) From Poole website: Whilst Aces' Captain Cook went through the card unbeaten by a Pirate, Poole's skipper Maciej Janowski 'love affair' with the Belle Vue circuit never improved. Janowski had failed to score from three rides on his last visit to Manchester and with a fall and a heat 6 last place to his name he was again struggling to find the winning groove. But when he and fellow Pole Przemyslaw Pawlicki partnered up for a second time it looked for certain that they had delivered the goods and held off the intense interests of the previously unbeaten Matej Zagar. But when the result was announced it was met with a stunned silence and much head turning towards the referee's gantry as in the eyes of the SCB official Willie Dishington Zagar's efforts had been strong enough just to get up on the line and ###### second place from the team riding Pirates. It was a crucial decision as the visitors had just levelled the meeting after dual guests Charles Wright and Oliver Greenwood had paired up for Poole in heat 9 to claim maximum points. Had Poole been given that second successive maximum score it would have given them a little bit of breathing space Ah,so that's why the Aces won. ( I didn't see any Poole officials on the finishing line by the way) A little humility would go a long way in helping to counter the dislike that so many fans have for the Dorset set-up. And Lee Smart's absence? Not a dickie bird. We rest our case your honour. Stick 'em on a proper race track........ And where pray would that be? Wimborne Road perchance? Stop digging, you'll be in Oz before someone finds Lee Smart. Edited April 29, 2014 by Wolfsbane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Poole's silence on last nights cynical cheating two fingered salute to the whole of Speedway is deafening. It is unsurprising they are treated with such contempt. They are the league champions in name only and not befitting of the title. The league winners have a duty to uphold the values of the sport, to compete on an even playing field, to accept defeat gracefully and to not break the rules at every opportunity. They have no class and are bringing the sport down. Shameful they are. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Kasprzak may have had some indifferent meetings for other clubs but for Poole he has always been terrific and is a much better rider than Janowski or Pawlicki, he certainly didn't let me down on saturday !! I don`t dispute his efforts for Poole, which proves he CAN bring his Polish A game. And lets face it if there is a trick that can get KK back into the line up somewhere along the season you can bet MF will. In the EL however he is only marginally ahead of the 2 current Poole Poles. Janowski could laern how to ride small tracks from Piotr Pawlicki and how he has mastered Wolves. Either Janowski isnt as talented or cant be bothered which is it? Good point. I guess the future Wolves asset is just a better prospect than either Janowski or Piotr`s brother in the long term. Be good to see Woffy and Piotr as big GP stars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 ah so what you are saying is that Janowski is good on big fast tracks but not others. That must mean Cook is the better rider technically as he is able to ride the difficult tracks. This is why Janowski will never amount to much, ceratinly nowhere near the class of a Gollob, Hampel or Kasprzak. Take KK for instance. Wins the gp on saturday on a fast racers track yet has a good record at Cardiff. Can you imagine Magic at Cardiff lol 0,0,0,0,0. So because Magic will beat Cook in Poland he is the better rider holds no substance. Cook would show Magic a clean pair of heels on most elite league tracks with Kings Lynn and Poole being the obvious exceptions. I await the answer that Magic is a world cup winner..........in his own backyard.lets see Cook take on Janowski at Belle Vue, Wolves, Lakeside, Eastbourne, Swindon, Coventry i know who i would favour. but because Janowski has fast bikes on the big polish circuits but is unable to change his style or set up he is the better rider. you do write utter garbage Both Pawliicki brothers are better riders than Janowski and i would imagine both will be in the gp's before him Lee Smart would beat Janowski at Brandon looking at past form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) On a serious note lets note forget there is a young lad at the end of this who appears to have been treated appallingly.....alegedly And overshadowing the performance of another young lad Ollie Greenwood Edited April 29, 2014 by TMW 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 This is what I said would happen at the start of the season. If the new reserves did not perform after the first few races then some of them would soon be on thier way out. It looks very much like Poole is one of the first teams to set the ball rolling. It would be far better if the management and the senior riders put a bit of time with them and helped them with set ups and riding style and riding lines. If they have got rid of him it is disgusting. Won't help his morale at all. If this is the case that he has gone then I just hope that other teams, don't jump on the band wagon with poor and under performing reserve riders. Leicester have got the same problems with young Max Cleg. He is slowly getting things together, he blew up 2 engines and 2 weeks ago they had a collection for him at the Lions Coventry match. It made him nearly £900, sho even if he is failing to produce the goods the fans are still behind him. And the management and riders are helping him with set ups and trying to help with his starts. Which are terrible to say the least. Does it come down to nerves with this new format or are some of these young riders not up to riding at this level yet. I just hope that the teams stick with them all because some of these lads are what Great Britain are looking to for the future of British speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) taking away all the 'politics' it was a very good speedway meeting with both teams contributing to a great contest... the aces and the 'poole select' team certainly put on an entertaining show for the punters.... and matej was as the old saying goes 'worth the admission alone'... the only poor part of the night for me is the new format.... it definitely needs reviewing.... it surely cannot be right that the new format allows the aces' 1 to 5 to so comprehensively destroy pooles' 1 to 5 by 44 points to just 26??? cannot be in the 'best interests of speedway' that!!! bet there will be changes to it as the season progresses.. Edited April 29, 2014 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 This is what I said would happen at the start of the season. If the new reserves did not perform after the first few races then some of them would soon be on thier way out. It looks very much like Poole is one of the first teams to set the ball rolling. It would be far better if the management and the senior riders put a bit of time with them and helped them with set ups and riding style and riding lines. You've just solved the mystery of why Smart wasn't included yesterday - the senior riders knew they wouldn't be able to advise him on set-ups and riding style etc!!!! ps. Smart is in the programme for Wednesday's meeting v Brummies!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 From Poole website: Whilst Aces' Captain Cook went through the card unbeaten by a Pirate, Poole's skipper Maciej Janowski 'love affair' with the Belle Vue circuit never improved. Janowski had failed to score from three rides on his last visit to Manchester and with a fall and a heat 6 last place to his name he was again struggling to find the winning groove. But when he and fellow Pole Przemyslaw Pawlicki partnered up for a second time it looked for certain that they had delivered the goods and held off the intense interests of the previously unbeaten Matej Zagar. But when the result was announced it was met with a stunned silence and much head turning towards the referee's gantry as in the eyes of the SCB official Willie Dishington Zagar's efforts had been strong enough just to get up on the line and ###### second place from the team riding Pirates. It was a crucial decision as the visitors had just levelled the meeting after dual guests Charles Wright and Oliver Greenwood had paired up for Poole in heat 9 to claim maximum points. Had Poole been given that second successive maximum score it would have given them a little bit of breathing space Ah,so that's why the Aces won. ( I didn't see any Poole officials on the finishing line by the way) A little humility would go a long way in helping to counter the dislike that so many fans have for the Dorset set-up. Who writes this crap, firstly Zagar won by a wheel and it was not stunned silence it was loud cheers when the result was announced! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Ah right. So he must be an injury replacement then. Not neccesarily as when holder was rein s tated on the official poole list their team average was under 32 . It is the latest greensheets with the first average updates for the sesson that outs them over 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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