Belle Vue Aces Vs Poole Pirates 28/04/2014

[BluPanther]

has anybody asked where Lee Smart was last night......

Silence is golden...Still trying to come up with a good excuse probably...

[Wolfsbane]

 

One of our Lee Smarts is missing.

 

(For our posters of a certain age )

 

Probably shot down over Poole Harbour

 

Apparently engine failure just outside Lancaster

[Gavan]

Yet again just smacks of underhand tactics again.

 

Smasrt isnt close to being up to the level required. Poole knew this from day 1 when rumours were circulating before the season started he was being replaced.

 

Got a better reserve in Greenwood and still lost lol

[John Leslie]

Just heard that Matt Ford has but up a £1,000 reward for the safe return of Lee Smart and Chris Holder's bottle. Both of which were lost in Manchester last night.

[TonyE]

Smart's absence certainly needs an explanation but, then again, Poole are involved so it probably won't be forthcoming!

[Wolfsbane]

In the cold light of day once the emotions have settled it's interesting to compare the 2 threads from last nights matches.

 

Wolves dropped a point because Woffy was poor. The fans reactions are something along the lines of 'For gawd's sake Tai, get it sorted sharpish, we need you but you're costing us points which could come in handy at the end of the season'.

 

Now compare that to some Poole fans. Their team was beaten and you don't have to be a brain surgeon to work out why, Holder and Janowski were poor. The initial reaction 'Cookie's a roller'.

 

Blame anyone but yourselves.

 

If Woffinden, Holder & Janowski had done what they're paid to do then both teams would have more points on the board this morning.

 

It's a shining example of one of the reasons why folks get on Poole's case.

Smart's absence certainly needs an explanation but, then again, Poole are involved so it probably won't be forthcoming!

To be scrupulously fair, that's not just Poole's problem, it's the attitude of most people who run the sport. 'Keep quiet and they'll get fed up of asking after a while'. Historically it's called omerta, these days, mushroom management, 'keep 'em in the dark and feed them $hit'.

Edited April 29, 2014 by Wolfsbane

[waiheke1]

I read that Ward might be missing for another month, despite riding in Poland and the GP. So will that give Holder another month to reduce his average ready to replace another team member when the time is right. I smell something fishy, and Im not talking about the contents of Baldricks apple Pie.

 

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/11175421.Poole_Pirates__Ford_reveals_injured_Ward_could_miss_more_than_a_month/

FFS people, paranoid much?

if holder's average drops below wards, they can only bring back ward by ditching milik for a three pointer.

to subsequently bring holder in, holder would need to get his average down below pawlickis, which if he is to achieve over the next say 6 meetings prior to wards reckon would mean he'd need to score around 3 per meeting or less, .

Poole do have history, but in this instance i think its safe to say holder had a bad meeting end of. jeezus, imagine if tai was a poole asset what conspricay theories there'd be...

 

if you want a team bulding plan which could happen, it is that milik gets his average up to over 7 and then gets replaced by the play offs by a dudek/lindback etc.

[Rico]

FFS people, paranoid much?

if holder's average drops below wards, they can only bring back ward by ditching milik for a three pointer.

to subsequently bring holder in, holder would need to get his average down below pawlickis, which if he is to achieve over the next say 6 meetings prior to wards reckon would mean he'd need to score around 3 per meeting or less, .

Poole do have history, but in this instance i think its safe to say holder had a bad meeting end of. jeezus, imagine if tai was a poole asset what conspricay theories there'd be...

 

if you want a team bulding plan which could happen, it is that milik gets his average up to over 7 and then gets replaced by the play offs by a dudek/lindback etc.

 

If someone is signed as an injury replacement (which has an attaching 28 day minimum) it didn't previously matter what the rider did in the interim, you could always bring back in the original rider as a straight swap for the injury replacement. Are you suggesting this rule has changed ?

 

In the current scenario, even if Holder's average drops, Poole could still bring Ward back for Holder when he is fit to ride. The talk of Darcy being out for another month is interesting and will only be questioned if Ward rides in Poland/Sweden/GPs but not Poole after the initial 28 days are up.

 

Rico

[John Leslie]

If someone is signed as an injury replacement (which has an attaching 28 day minimum) it didn't previously matter what the rider did in the interim, you could always bring back in the original rider as a straight swap for the injury replacement. Are you suggesting this rule has changed ?

You are correct in the case of an injury replacement.

 

But in this case Holder's average is higher than the injured rider (Ward), so it doesn't appear to be a one-for-one injury replacement. It appears to be a team redeclaration with a higher averaged rider (but still under the points limit).

[stevebrum]

Will Poole give a reason for Smarts absence, or will it be brushed under the carpet ?

 

Still waiting................. tick tick

 

 

why would we think of getting rid of Vaclav? So far he has done his job and more. would have got 5 last night if he wasn't trying to win the heat and that's 5 more than I expected from him to be honest. The track must have given him the collywobbles on the track walk.

 

Very good little rider for his age.

 

Of course you would get rid of any of your riders if you could improve the side, particularly ahead of the play offs. Poole are ruthless in that perspective. Not like the lad would deserve it.

As tipped by many....... the lad is way better than his ridiculous 4 point average. It was only Poole fans who thought he might struggle surprisingly!

 

 

Smart's absence certainly needs an explanation but, then again, Poole are involved so it probably won't be forthcoming!

 

Another hour gone..........

 

 

In the cold light of day once the emotions have settled it's interesting to compare the 2 threads from last nights matches.

 

Wolves dropped a point because Woffy was poor. The fans reactions are something along the lines of 'For gawd's sake Tai, get it sorted sharpish, we need you but you're costing us points which could come in handy at the end of the season'.

 

Now compare that to some Poole fans. Their team was beaten and you don't have to be a brain surgeon to work out why, Holder and Janowski were poor. The initial reaction 'Cookie's a roller'.

 

Blame anyone but yourselves.

 

If Woffinden, Holder & Janowski had done what they're paid to do then both teams would have more points on the board this morning.

 

It's a shining example of one of the reasons why folks get on Poole's case.

 

 

Top post.

[montie]

has anybody asked where Lee Smart was last night......

To be fair ,if you had him in your team,would you really care where he was!!!

[TMW]

To be fair ,if you had him in your team,would you really care where he was!!!

Then why pick him in the first place

[Steve Shovlar]

If someone is signed as an injury replacement (which has an attaching 28 day minimum) it didn't previously matter what the rider did in the interim, you could always bring back in the original rider as a straight swap for the injury replacement. Are you suggesting this rule has changed ?

 

In the current scenario, even if Holder's average drops, Poole could still bring Ward back for Holder when he is fit to ride. The talk of Darcy being out for another month is interesting and will only be questioned if Ward rides in Poland/Sweden/GPs but not Poole after the initial 28 days are up.

 

Rico

 

Holder could score two points a meeting and Darcy can come back to replace him. Those the rules.

 

 

You are correct in the case of an injury replacement.But in this case Holder's average is higher than the injured rider (Ward), so it doesn't appear to be a one-for-one injury replacement. It appears to be a team redeclaration with a higher averaged rider (but still under the points limit).

It's an injury replacement so Darcy can come back in.

[Speedway man1234]

Lee smart was so say dropped that why he wasn't there. The guy wasn't even given a chance I spoke to lee at Poole on Good Friday he had all his bikes sorted and ready to go and he look better in both meetings that day. I think this

Draft is another way to mess around with the British riders how can they have a chance of doing anything if they can get swapped around like this. I honestly think if bates is coming in for smart then why should he be if he pulled out of Swindon then he shouldn't be allowed back in. He ain't scoring great and he lucky to win the under 21

[John Leslie]

It's an injury replacement so Darcy can come back in.

How can Holder be an injury replacement? His average is higher than Ward. It was a team redeclaration.

[Steve Shovlar]

How can Holder be an injury replacement? His average is higher than Ward. It was a team redeclaration.

Still an injury replacement.

[rainman]

And its for the good of the sport ;-)

[John Leslie]

Still an injury replacement.

I see. We're ignoring his higher average as "special dispensation" for "the good of the sport".

[SteveLyric2]

That 24-hour manflu is a real b*****d! Still a smart move by Poole which clearly got the OK from the SCB official and the BV management.

 

Shame Ollie is one place above Smart on the newly revised FT draft list - or maybe they're on exactly the same average?!!!

Edited April 29, 2014 by Skidder1

[The Voice Of Reason]

The fact that neither Poole, nor any of it's supporters, appear to want to discuss the absence of Lee Smart is absolutely typical of their 'holier than thou' approach to this sport. Personally, if I was a Poole Supporter, then I'd consider the lack of communication from my club's promotion an utter insult. However, all I'm witnessing here is that 'The Shovlarosi' are remaining tight-lipped - their veil of silence truly deafening.

 

Actually, I was quite surprised that Mr. Fraud and his poodle didn't try to get the meeting abandoned after Heat 10 - after all, they were leading the meeting at that stage AND it was at Belle Vue (memories of 2013 come flooding back - excuse the pun).

 

At the end of the day, Poole supporters are once again demonstrating to the majority of opposing fans, just why they are so disliked; and why their team's promotion remains at the forefront of speculation and under-hand tactics.

 

I was going to say it's truly incredulous. But on hindsight, I think the term 'typical' is more apt.