Daniel Smith Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Have a look at SCB's faaaaaaaaaaabulous website http://www.speedway-stats.co.uk/ You'll have to scour every team for the draft averages but they are all there. Unless SCB fancies putting in a draft category in the EL section. I may stick a couple of extra a's in faaaaaaaaaaabulous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Have a look at SCB's faaaaaaaaaaabulous website http://www.speedway-stats.co.uk/ You'll have to scour every team for the draft averages but they are all there. Unless SCB fancies putting in a draft category in the EL section. I may stick a couple of extra a's in faaaaaaaaaaabulous I'll try and get the site up to date tonight. But yes, I was thinking of putting some sort of split by heatleader, second string and reserves on so will look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'll try and get the site up to date tonight. But yes, I was thinking of putting some sort of split by heatleader, second string and reserves on so will look into it. You're a wonderful man SCB and don't let anyone tell you otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Pretty sure averages won't count anyway,If they were to go into a teams 1-5 next season they would start on a 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Pretty sure averages won't count anyway,If they were to go into a teams 1-5 next season they would start on a 3. Got to if we're gonna help them ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) SR16.2.1 ESTABLISHED MA’s are calculated on a “Rolling” basis, for a specified number of applicable Meetings, taking account of the number of Heats and Points (excluding Bonus Points) that a Rider has scored. The applicable Meetings are: Elite League: League Meetings, excluding the Play-Offs Premier League: League Cup mini-League Meetings & regular League Meetings National League: League Meetings, excluding the Play-Offs. NB: (Double) points scored as a TR will count at 50%. FTDP Riders in the EL and all Riders appearing as a Guest or as a #8 are ignored. Eh? ok i still on a run of late nights and sleep deprivation but.....does that mean it's a good job i cobbled up these stats as the BSPA ones will be ignoring the Fast Track riders performances in the Elite League? Also i avoid the 'rolling' averages like the plague, especially over more than the current season, as i am interested in a riders current sporting performance over the WHOLE of THIS season. I'm not interested in knocking off or adding percentages of averages for this, that or whatever reason regards to the team building rules, i want to know - and published - riders averages according to their sporting performance for this season. Rolling averages are a technical tool used for team building/regulations, i'm a what is happening before my eyes speedway fan and only wish to know how a rider is doing in his sporting performance over this season. Have a look at SCB's faaaaaaaaaaabulous website http://www.speedway-stats.co.uk/ You'll have to scour every team for the draft averages but they are all there. Unless SCB fancies putting in a draft category in the EL section. I may stick a couple of extra a's in faaaaaaaaaaabulous Eh? and ummmm lol so you're asking SCB to do what i've already done here? What is the point of scouring/ploughing through 10 teams averages - and trying to memorize them!!! - if you can see them all in a single list in this thread? I've still not had time to read up on the rules regarding the averages. But do i take it the top 5 will be interchanging all year long and taking it in turns if in the top three to mainly ride against the top riders in the team and if a second string mainly ride against the other second strings and the fast track riders/reserves? If so although it sounds a good idea for SCB to split his averages into heat leaders/second strings/reserves it's pretty pointless as a sporting indicator to form with a riders average being dependent on which particular cycle he's on....racing against the best riders of a team or the weakest! I'm still agog at how they are going to set team building averages next year (hell even ordering this season's lol). The reason i did split the Fast Track riders averages is because they are set to stay in their 6 and 7 positions over the whole season, therefore one can get a judgement of form. 'Screamer' you've totally lost me on all this adding extra a's etc what are you celebrating??? I can't get a handle on that at all? Edited April 28, 2014 by manchesterpaul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) The new FTDP rider list, effective May 1st, with (this months positions) and [original draft positions]. Josh Bates and Marc Owen are new additions in a guest only capacity. Seems a fair compromise in Josh's case. 1 ( 1) [ 1] Lewis Kerr 2 ( 3) [ 3] Kyle Newman 3 ( 4) [ 4] Lewis Blackbird 4 ( 2) [ 2] Jason Garrity 5 ( 7) [ 6] Adam Ellis 6 ( 5) [ 5] Stefan Nielsen 7# ( 6) [--] Charles Wright 8 (13) [12] Steve Worrall 9 ( 8) [ 7] Ashley Morris 10 (10) [ 9] Joe Jacobs 11 ( 9) [ 8] Paul Starke 12 (11) [10] Tom Perry 13 (12) [11] Simon Lambert 14 (19) [17] James Sarjeant 15 (15) [--] Benji Compton 16 (26) [20] Lewis Rose 17# (--) [15] Josh Bates 18# (22) [--] Oliver Greenwood 19 (14) [13] Lee Smart 20 (18) [16] Daniel Halsey 21 (21) [18] Ben Morley 22 (16) [14] Ben Reade 23 (17) [--] Darren Mallett 24# (20) [--] Tim Webster 25 (23) [19] Ben Hopwood 26# (24) [--] Liam Carr 27# (25) [--] Kyle Hughes 28 (27) [21] Max Clegg 29 (28) [22] Darryl Ritchings 30 (29) [23] Dan Greenwood 31 (30) [--] Brendan Johnson 32# (35) [--] Jack Kingston 33 (33) [--] Nathan Greaves 34# (--) [--] Marc Owen 35 (31) [--] Lee Payne 36 (32) [--] Luke Crang 37 (34) [--] Matt Williamson 38# (36) [--] Brandon Freemantle Interesting how Brandon Freeantle has made it onto the list as a declared 3.00 and for example Danny Stoneman and Ryan Black lock at 4.29 and 4.43 aren't I wonder how they compile the list maybe they turned it down but it would be interesting to see the criteria to make 'The list' Edited April 29, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 So it doesn't look like the BSPA page will be updated with averages, the updated Fast Track list is already published and effective from tomorrow (1st May). If they aren't i'll update these averages as they are valuable to look at sporting performance over the whole of this current season in a single list. Not sure why if they are grading the riders based on averages they won't publish them, gee are Fast Track riders averages the new 'attendance figures' of the sport as in never to be revealed because of shame? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ain't it great to see how the draft system is working fairly again tonight in the Kings Lynn Vs. Leicester meeting tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ain't it great to see how the draft system is working fairly again tonight in the Kings Lynn Vs. Leicester meeting tonight I agree it was a severe imbalance but isn't it Leicester's fault for not choosing different riders than they did? Aren't King's Lynn to be praised for choosing the riders they did? Or were the riders allotted with no say from the clubs involved, a bit like Rider Control in the old days? If it was all down to club's selections then it's similar to how every season ALL teams start equal in that they all have a set points limit. Praise should be given to those clubs whose selections end up scoring much higher than the others and criticism should be levelled at those whose choices have their team outclassed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I agree it was a severe imbalance but isn't it Leicester's fault for not choosing different riders than they did? Aren't King's Lynn to be praised for choosing the riders they did? Or were the riders allotted with no say from the clubs involved, a bit like Rider Control in the old days? If it was all down to club's selections then it's similar to how every season ALL teams start equal in that they all have a set points limit. Praise should be given to those clubs whose selections end up scoring much higher than the others and criticism should be levelled at those whose choices have their team outclassed? Norrie Allan has admitted it was their bad pick and he asked the supporters not to blame the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Ain't it great to see how the draft system is working fairly again tonight in the Kings Lynn Vs. Leicester meeting tonight KL already had 'off the shelf' riders that they had been developing over tha last couple of years can't blame them for that. Other EL teams will have to do the same if the draft list is to stay and succeed which, I believe is the point? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Ain't it great to see how the draft system is working fairly again tonight in the Kings Lynn Vs. Leicester meeting tonight You seem to have major issue with Kings Lynn and their FTR. Am I right, your not a lover of this new Draft System????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 You seem to have major issue with Kings Lynn and their FTR. Am I right, your not a lover of this new Draft System????? Crazy robin appears not to be a lover of anything speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Does anyone know where the first set of unofficial averages for the new draft riders can be found ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Does anyone know where the first set of unofficial averages for the new draft riders can be found ? Phil Morris's laptop?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I still can't belive the way they have set up the FTR. You have some that have riden in the EL for a couple of years, most who have riden in the PL and the poor guys who have done nothing than ride in the NL. How can the lads that are riding against those with previous EL racing stand a chance. I think any of them that had riden in the EL or had a team place in the PL, that was far above the other lads should have been given a ride in the lower team order not the reserves. The reserves should have been of all the same status. Young lads that had just riden in the NL for 1 or 2 seasons with no other league experiance. The likes of Newman and Morris plus Blackbird the list goes on makes the whole thing a complete farce from day 1 Nice to see all the hard work you put in doing that list. You have done a great job. The 2 lads at Leicester where both a couple of Norrie Allens prodigits. So the only people to blame are the Lions management for 2 riders that are well out of thier depth. Edited May 1, 2014 by weatherwatcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I still can't belive the way they have set up the FTR. You have some that have riden in the EL for a couple of years, most who have riden in the PL and the poor guys who have done nothing than ride in the NL. How can the lads that are riding against those with previous EL racing stand a chance. I think any of them that had riden in the EL or had a team place in the PL, that was far above the other lads should have been given a ride in the lower team order not the reserves. The reserves should have been of all the same status. Young lads that had just riden in the NL for 1 or 2 seasons with no other league experiance. The likes of Newman and Morris plus Blackbird the list goes on makes the whole thing a complete farce from day 1 Nice to see all the hard work you put in doing that list. You have done a great job. The 2 lads at Leicester where both a couple of Norrie Allens prodigits. So the only people to blame are the Lions management for 2 riders that are well out of thier depth. Be careful or you'll be accused of only showing a concern because your club don't have good ones like I do when I dare question it. Failing that you'll be accused of not liking the sport either although you've watched it for 40 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 The 2 lads at Leicester where both a couple of Norrie Allens prodigits...... says who????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Says Norrie Allen when he took over as manager of the Lions. He said on the Lions website. That they had lots of talent and would be a great asset to the club and I have worked with the for a number of years. It looks like the talent is a little faded, to say the least. Couldn't give two hoots what they say, like you we stand by our own opinions. I am sure we have been around long enough to know how the sport works. Edited May 1, 2014 by weatherwatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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