manchesterpaul Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) Early days i know but the current 20 fast track riders attached to a team averages are as below. Due to the limited number of guest rides by non-attached and indeed attached riders there's no point listing them initially. They are current up to and including Monday 21st April and for accuracy i compiled them using the Speedway Star match reports. I've had to put the averages first in order to add some semblance of neatness as there doesn't seem to be a 'table' feature in the forum code? I'll have a more detailed look next time i update them, i've displayed tables and shown others how to do that in the updates forum before, but my memory not kicking in right now lol. The number in brackets is the rank of the rider in the draft. After the team name comes matches-rides-points-bonus points-total points. 9.20 Kyle Newman (3) Poole 2 10 21 2 238.55 Lewis Kerr (1) King's Lynn 5 22 43 4 477.79 Lewis Blackbird (4) Eastbourne 4 19 33 4 376.70 Adam Ellis (7) Lakeside 8 37 54 8 626.10 James Sarjeant (19) Coventry 6 21 24 8 326.00 Steve Worrall (13) Swindon 3 14 19 2 215.92 Jason Garrity (2) Coventry 6 25 33 4 375.78 Lewis Rose (26) King's Lynn 5 18 20 6 265.67 Paul Starke (9) Birmingham 3 12 15 2 175.60 Stefan Nielsen (5) Belle Vue 5 20 25 3 285.50 Ashley Morris (8) Wolverhampton 4 16 19 3 225.45 Tom Perry (11) Leicester 7 33 36 9 455.45 Joe Jacobs (10) Wolverhampton 3 11 13 2 155.24 Ben Morley (21) Lakeside 8 29 32 6 384.70 Daniel Halsey (18) Eastbourne 6 23 22 5 273.43 Simon Lambert (12) Birmingham 5 21 15 3 183.00 Max Clegg (27) Leicester 7 24 14 4 182.80 Dan Greenwood (29) Swindon 3 10 5 2 72.75 Ben Reade (16) Belle Vue 4 16 9 2 112.15 Lee Smart (14) Poole 4 13 6 1 7 Edited April 30, 2014 by manchesterpaul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 The notes at the end of the bspa list states that the riders will be regraded to current form, has anyone any idea how and when. Would they use the average calculated while riding in the new reserve system, or is it based on their PL and NL average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 The notes at the end of the bspa list states that the riders will be regraded to current form, has anyone any idea how and when. Would they use the average calculated while riding in the new reserve system, or is it based on their PL and NL average. Is that regraded at the end of the season or monthly??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Is that regraded at the end of the season or monthly??? It indicates monthly, although the upgraded list may just be riders added or removed rather than new averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 16.2.7 Updated EL / PL MA’s (and a FTDP List) will be calculated on all eligible Meetings up to and including 23rd of each month and issued to become effective from 1st of the following month. I assume a minumium of 4 home and away applies before average is given Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 16.2.7 Updated EL / PL MA’s (and a FTDP List) will be calculated on all eligible Meetings up to and including 23rd of each month and issued to become effective from 1st of the following month. I assume a minumium of 4 home and away applies before average is given Yeah but is that not just the usual averages? Is the FTDP list still only going to be a list and not contain averages as A Orlov suggests may be the case? I've not read up on any of it at all or even had a chance to peruse the regulations. I guess we'll find out soon anyway. Lol a little annoying as i only went to the effort of compiling the averages as i kept reading from official sources mentions that Fast Track riders will NOT receive an average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 the ftdp list may just be re-ordered based on averages rather than including averages, but i don't know. u could have just grabbed the averages off scbs website and then filter out the non fast trackers. that said, the site is not always quite up to date with the latest meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 New averages have been put on the BSPA site and there are NONE assigned to the fast track riders list or within the team listings. My work possibly wasn't a waste then lol. http://www.speedwaygb.co/14issues/el_issue5.pdf Issued 24/04/2014 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 There is only michelsen given a new average in that list. Nice work anyway mp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 There is only michelsen given a new average in that list. Nice work anyway mp. His new average doesn't take effect until tomorrow so he has his last 'easy' night tonight before moving up to heat leader status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Great post Paul, A change from the usual rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 There is only michelsen given a new average in that list. Nice work anyway mp. It could also have been issued to include the team change at Swindon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) New averages have been put on the BSPA site and there are NONE assigned to the fast track riders list or within the team listings. My work possibly wasn't a waste then lol. http://www.speedwaygb.co/14issues/el_issue5.pdf Issued 24/04/2014 Taken from the BSPA Elite League averages: A new FT grade list will be amended according to current form and issued with BSPA Green sheets. The updated FT Grade list will take effect 1st of month until the last day of the month. Riders can be added or removed at each of the months FT grade list so we only have to wait another few days to see the first official updated list!! Edited April 24, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Taken from the BSPA Elite League averages: A new FT grade list will be amended according to current form and issued with BSPA Green sheets. The updated FT Grade list will take effect 1st of month until the last day of the month. Riders can be added or removed at each of the months FT grade list so we only have to wait another few days to see the first official updated list!! It's cool if they do as it will save me from doing them. I only put them up (self-compiled in a hurry) as i noticed there were a few asking in various threads as to how riders were performing average wise, also on reflection i was curious myself too. I'm pretty sure nobody on these forums waits until a monthly publication of averages or league tables etc and duly refrains from comment or observation on a subject until then. Imagine not being able to point out that your team has moved up a position in the table until the BSPA updates their league tables, so not sure what your double exclamation mark is about. Did you want me to give a list after just one meeting and a mere four riders having raced? I then saw that the sheets on the BSPA sites had been updated during the day (24th) - which fitted in with their mention in the regulations that green sheets are updated around the 23rd of the month and take effect on the 1st of a month. I saw that no averages were attached to the fast track riders so that left me, and others, still not clear as to whether they will publish averages or not for the riders. Your quote can be read with different interpretations and i'm still open-minded as to whether we'll see averages or not. Plus of course they may not assign an average to a rider unless they've ridden a certain quota of matches home or away, i had no such restriction, although did point out for poeple to take into account it's early days. Edited April 25, 2014 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I echo the comments of 'Liam Gallagher Fan', a superb post and thanks for taking the time to work these numbers out. Thanks MP! Am I right in thinking that if for example Poole do not replace Lee Smart (2.15 Lee Smart (14) Poole 4 13 6 1 7) before the re-ranking of the riders, they will only be able to replace him with another rider with a lower ranking (of which there are none!) or with a rider who has yet to race as a draft rider? I hope this is the case as it would mean that teams have to persevere with the young lads when they go through a rough patch, and not just dump them at the first opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) I echo the comments of 'Liam Gallagher Fan', a superb post and thanks for taking the time to work these numbers out. Thanks MP! Am I right in thinking that if for example Poole do not replace Lee Smart (2.15 Lee Smart (14) Poole 4 13 6 1 7) before the re-ranking of the riders, they will only be able to replace him with another rider with a lower ranking (of which there are none!) or with a rider who has yet to race as a draft rider? I hope this is the case as it would mean that teams have to persevere with the young lads when they go through a rough patch, and not just dump them at the first opportunity. But Poole are rumoured to be dropping him before the re-ranking anyway so it doesn't work that they're given time?. Edited April 25, 2014 by Crazy robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) It's cool if they do as it will save me from doing them. I only put them up (self-compiled in a hurry) as i noticed there were a few asking in various threads as to how riders were performing average wise, also on reflection i was curious myself too. I'm pretty sure nobody on these forums waits until a monthly publication of averages or league tables etc and duly refrains from comment or observation on a subject until then. Imagine not being able to point out that your team has moved up a position in the table until the BSPA updates their league tables, so not sure what your double exclamation mark is about. Did you want me to give a list after just one meeting and a mere four riders having raced? I then saw that the sheets on the BSPA sites had been updated during the day (24th) - which fitted in with their mention in the regulations that green sheets are updated around the 23rd of the month and take effect on the 1st of a month. I saw that no averages were attached to the fast track riders so that left me, and others, still not clear as to whether they will publish averages or not for the riders. Your quote can be read with different interpretations and i'm still open-minded as to whether we'll see averages or not. Plus of course they may not assign an average to a rider unless they've ridden a certain quota of matches home or away, i had no such restriction, although did point out for poeple to take into account it's early days. You must have missed the post that stated Phil Morris would be keeping the FT scores/averages up to date - and as the note on the BSPA's site says 'they will be updated in a revised list each month' and remain valid for that month from the 1st to the last day of that month. (ps. Its not my quote - its taken straight from the BSPA notes at the bottom of the FT riders list.) Edited April 25, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) The new FTDP rider list, effective May 1st, with (this months positions) and [original draft positions]. Josh Bates and Marc Owen are new additions in a guest only capacity. Seems a fair compromise in Josh's case. 1 ( 1) [ 1] Lewis Kerr 2 ( 3) [ 3] Kyle Newman 3 ( 4) [ 4] Lewis Blackbird 4 ( 2) [ 2] Jason Garrity 5 ( 7) [ 6] Adam Ellis 6 ( 5) [ 5] Stefan Nielsen 7# ( 6) [--] Charles Wright 8 (13) [12] Steve Worrall 9 ( 8) [ 7] Ashley Morris 10 (10) [ 9] Joe Jacobs 11 ( 9) [ 8] Paul Starke 12 (11) [10] Tom Perry 13 (12) [11] Simon Lambert 14 (19) [17] James Sarjeant 15 (15) [--] Benji Compton 16 (26) [20] Lewis Rose 17# (--) [15] Josh Bates 18# (22) [--] Oliver Greenwood 19 (14) [13] Lee Smart 20 (18) [16] Daniel Halsey 21 (21) [18] Ben Morley 22 (16) [14] Ben Reade 23 (17) [--] Darren Mallett 24# (20) [--] Tim Webster 25 (23) [19] Ben Hopwood 26# (24) [--] Liam Carr 27# (25) [--] Kyle Hughes 28 (27) [21] Max Clegg 29 (28) [22] Darryl Ritchings 30 (29) [23] Dan Greenwood 31 (30) [--] Brendan Johnson 32# (35) [--] Jack Kingston 33 (33) [--] Nathan Greaves 34# (--) [--] Marc Owen 35 (31) [--] Lee Payne 36 (32) [--] Luke Crang 37 (34) [--] Matt Williamson 38# (36) [--] Brandon Freemantle Edited April 28, 2014 by Alan_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) You must have missed the post that stated Phil Morris would be keeping the FT scores/averages up to date - and as the note on the BSPA's site says 'they will be updated in a revised list each month' and remain valid for that month from the 1st to the last day of that month. (ps. Its not my quote - its taken straight from the BSPA notes at the bottom of the FT riders list.) Yeah that's cool, i must have missed that post. Only thing is i've seen that section of the BSPA notes you refer to when it was first published and i was asking if it did include averages as it could read just the rankings are redone, then agian i hadn't/haven't seen the Morris post you mention. I also was of the mind they won't list averages unless riders have completed a certian amount of hame and away mathces. With the way fixtures are unevenly spread out for some riders that could take ages to find out how they are performing. The new FTDP rider list, effective May 1st, with (this months positions) and [original draft positions]. Josh Bates and Marc Owen are new additions in a guest only capacity. Seems a fair compromise in Josh's case. 1 ( 1) [ 1] Lewis Kerr 2 ( 3) [ 3] Kyle Newman 3 ( 4) [ 4] Lewis Blackbird 4 ( 2) [ 2] Jason Garrity 5 ( 7) [ 6] Adam Ellis 6 ( 5) [ 5] Stefan Nielsen 7# ( 6) [--] Charles Wright 8 (13) [12] Steve Worrall 9 ( 8) [ 7] Ashley Morris 10 (10) [ 9] Joe Jacobs 11 ( 9) [ 8] Paul Starke 12 (11) [10] Tom Perry 13 (12) [11] Simon Lambert 14 (19) [17] James Sarjeant 15 (15) [--] Benji Compton 16 (26) [20] Lewis Rose 17# (--) [15] Josh Bates 18# (22) [--] Oliver Greenwood 19 (14) [13] Lee Smart 20 (18) [16] Daniel Halsey 21 (21) [18] Ben Morley 22 (16) [14] Ben Reade 23 (17) [--] Darren Mallett 24# (20) [--] Tim Webster 25 (23) [19] Ben Hopwood 26# (24) [--] Liam Carr 27# (25) [--] Kyle Hughes 28 (27) [21] Max Clegg 29 (28) [22] Darryl Ritchings 30 (29) [23] Dan Greenwood 31 (30) [--] Brendan Johnson 32# (35) [--] Jack Kingston 33 (33) [--] Nathan Greaves 34# (--) [--] Marc Owen 35 (31) [--] Lee Payne 36 (32) [--] Luke Crang 37 (34) [--] Matt Williamson 38# (36) [--] Brandon Freemantle Ummmm! where are the averages? Edited April 28, 2014 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 SR16.2.1 ESTABLISHED MA’s are calculated on a “Rolling” basis, for a specified number of applicable Meetings, taking account of the number of Heats and Points (excluding Bonus Points) that a Rider has scored. The applicable Meetings are: Elite League: League Meetings, excluding the Play-Offs Premier League: League Cup mini-League Meetings & regular League Meetings National League: League Meetings, excluding the Play-Offs. NB: (Double) points scored as a TR will count at 50%. FTDP Riders in the EL and all Riders appearing as a Guest or as a #8 are ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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