Arson fire Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Bjerre is in green (not the helmet colour, wasn't that the way forward?), he's easy to spot for home and away alike. We can argue the toss on the minutiae but the point was that team suits are some sort of magic bullet for speedway whereas where Panthers are and where British speedway is in 2014 suggests that what the riders wear makes little difference? A couple of months without and you'd soon know who is who, was never a problem before team suits and most of us could name every rider. so being a newcastle fan, who will see Peterborough twice a year probably..... How I'm I to know what Jacobs or blackbirds colours are??Can't see what difference it makes especially as they have different helmet colours on... Unless we are all colour blind of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) Our entry wasn't that late though was it? Interesting point made though, never looked at it like that, thought that it was just another cost cutting exercise. However, after initially thinking that it was a retrograde step not to have team suits, I now couldn't give a stuff. We've had teamsuits for years but crowds dropped, sponsors departed, successive promotors lost money and we've somehow ended up in the PL on the back of all that (amongst other things). I couldn't tell who was who in the Newcastle white fog on Monday but Panthers were individualy easy to pick out. I could'nt tell who was who either,,, did'nt even know what day it was,,, so being a newcastle fan, who will see Peterborough twice a year probably..... How I'm I to know what Jacobs or blackbirds colours are?? Can't see what difference it makes especially as they have different helmet colours on... Unless we are all colour blind of course. well Jacob's should be orange, with a black shape on,,, and Blackbird's should just be all in black, with a yellow peak on his helmet, (crash helmet),,, or the number on them could help,,, Maybe Cookie has the right idea with his bright coloured front wheel, he is always easy to pick out in a bunch, but then again if they all done that we would be back to square one, sorry i will go back to sleep now not sure if square wheel's is the way forward,,, but have you been down the paint aisle in BnQ ???,,, there's probably a different colour for everyone in the world,,, and you can even just make your own colour up,,, Edited May 2, 2014 by ruffdiamond 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 so being a newcastle fan, who will see Peterborough twice a year probably..... How I'm I to know what Jacobs or blackbirds colours are?? Can't see what difference it makes especially as they have different helmet colours on... Unless we are all colour blind of course. As I said, how did you cope in the 70's, 80's, 90's (or whatever decade you started in) when speedway was thriving (or moreso than now) and riders wore what they had? Has the new era of team suits etc stopped the rot and our slide to third world speedway nation? Nope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) As I said, how did you cope in the 70's, 80's, 90's (or whatever decade you started in) when speedway was thriving (or moreso than now) and riders wore what they had? Has the new era of team suits etc stopped the rot and our slide to third world speedway nation? Nope! I didn't have a problem then and I don't now.... It's only the speedway nerds who do.... I personally think team suits are much better to look at, but I go to watch the racing not look at what they are wearing and can quite easily determine who's who by what helmet colour( which is surely the reason they have them) or gate they have. Edited May 2, 2014 by Arson fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) I didn't have a problem then and I don't now.... It's only the speedway nerds who do.... I personally think team suits are much better to look at, but I go to watch the racing not look at what they are wearing and can quite easily determine who's who by what helmet colour( which is surely the reason they have them) or gate they have. Indeed. I think we're drifting from the original point here and you perhaps need to read HadrianDog's post again, not that I have any wish to discuss it with you any further so will bid you good day! Edited May 3, 2014 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Helmet colours are in such varying shades nowadays that even they are not a reliable guide for colour blind folk like me. At least the old yellow/black was a good identifier in the past. But now just plain yellow could be anything heading towards orange. As could the red. So I give my big shout for individual rider colours, not the all clones together team race suits Especially under the grim lighting at Ippo!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) what about chess,,, the teams in that have the same colours,,, the only difference's are that they are different shapes n sizes and can pull off different moves,,, which is not disimilar to a speedway team in the same apparel,,, I for one think that team suits do look more proffessional,,, rather than looking like a junk shop on the sea front,,, IMO Edited May 2, 2014 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 what about chess,,, the teams in that have the same colours,,, the only difference's are that they are different shapes n sizes and can pull off different moves,,, which is not disimilar to a speedway team in the same apparel,,, I for one think that team suits do look more proffessional,,, rather than looking like a junk shop on the sea front,,, IMO As Arkwright would say, team suits are ok but you can't retire on them, it's the track action and presentation that's important! Didn't hear Pearson and Tatum comparing the team outfits (unless I missed it), only how good the track action was, much better live I might add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 I see the question of team suits as further evidence that Panthers are now firmly second tier. They certainly would be equpped with them if still in Elite League. Even the bosses see Panthers as second tier that is why when there is a clash with Coventry they all opt for Brandon rather than the Showground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Garbage and the main reason why we cannot attract a new and -vitally more important- younger audience. When are the almost dead and buried going to realise that if this sport does not seriously modernise to the point where the teenager and co. actually WANT to come to speedway, we will live just long enough to see this sport die before our eyes. This ludicrous refusal to realise that race suits are the way forward is inane. Without a doubt The Panthers lack of gear is related to their late league entry. When we started the season looking like tramps, I was far from happy, but thankfully our management understand the power of marketing vs appeasing a dying breed. If they were still around would the thirties originals be clamouring for mucky boiler suits rather than 'leathers', an old scarf as the only face protection and the pot style racing helmet simply because 'that's how it was when I were a lad' Things move on and we MUST embrace it. As a club we are luckier than most with a fairly healthy fan base. I have travelled to many an away match where the words 'great to have you lot here' have been heard because we bring actual supporters to their grounds. Lastly to White Knight- please do not take this personally, your words were merely the catalyst for this I suppose 'rant'. I apologise now for letting my passion for furthering this sport long after we grey hairs are long gone fuelling my words. No offense taken Hadriandog - you have your opinion to which you are entitled - I have mine. I don't agree with you - but - it would be a sad thing if we all thought the same about everything. No need for this Forum for a start. As long as you eventually admit I am 'right' - we will be OK. ;) Our entry wasn't that late though was it? Interesting point made though, never looked at it like that, thought that it was just another cost cutting exercise. However, after initially thinking that it was a retrograde step not to have team suits, I now couldn't give a stuff. We've had teamsuits for years but crowds dropped, sponsors departed, successive promotors lost money and we've somehow ended up in the PL on the back of all that (amongst other things). I couldn't tell who was who in the Newcastle white fog on Monday but Panthers were individualy easy to pick out. Well said Crump99 - I remember the days that you could identify the Rider by style, sometimes Bike, sometimes their Leathers and occasionally by Helmet Cover (not often). You simply cannot relate to the Riders these day - both they and their Bikes look about the same. :sad: Surely there is room for individuality in our Sport - as you say, Crowds are dropping and Sponsors are leaving - so the changes to what we have now have hardly been a roaring success - have they? There used to be a thing called TRADITION in Speedway - just imagine the trouble there would be if Man. Utd. decided they would play in blue shirts for marketing purposes - there would be hell on (look at Cardiff). It's the same in Speedway - they have totally thrown out the idea of Supporters relating to Riders in order to introduce something that might look more professional but is essentially BORING. Speedway needs it's glamour and it's individuality to survive long term - I doubt it will happen though. I didn't have a problem then and I don't now.... It's only the speedway nerds who do.... I personally think team suits are much better to look at, but I go to watch the racing not look at what they are wearing and can quite easily determine who's who by what helmet colour( which is surely the reason they have them) or gate they have. It's a shame if that is the only way to identify the Rider - see above. Helmet colours are in such varying shades nowadays that even they are not a reliable guide for colour blind folk like me. At least the old yellow/black was a good identifier in the past. But now just plain yellow could be anything heading towards orange. As could the red. So I give my big shout for individual rider colours, not the all clones together team race suits Especially under the grim lighting at Ippo!! Very good point. Today the Yellow Helmet cover and the White Helmet cover look much the same under Floodlights which hampers identification of Riders. I would be in favour of a return to the Yellow/Black cover for this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 No offense taken Hadriandog - you have your opinion to which you are entitled - I have mine. I don't agree with you - but - it would be a sad thing if we all thought the same about everything. No need for this Forum for a start. As long as you eventually admit I am 'right' - we will be OK. ;) Well said Crump99 - I remember the days that you could identify the Rider by style, sometimes Bike, sometimes their Leathers and occasionally by Helmet Cover (not often). You simply cannot relate to the Riders these day - both they and their Bikes look about the same. :sad: Surely there is room for individuality in our Sport - as you say, Crowds are dropping and Sponsors are leaving - so the changes to what we have now have hardly been a roaring success - have they? There used to be a thing called TRADITION in Speedway - just imagine the trouble there would be if Man. Utd. decided they would play in blue shirts for marketing purposes - there would be hell on (look at Cardiff). It's the same in Speedway - they have totally thrown out the idea of Supporters relating to Riders in order to introduce something that might look more professional but is essentially BORING. Speedway needs it's glamour and it's individuality to survive long term - I doubt it will happen though. It's a shame if that is the only way to identify the Rider - see above. Very good point. Today the Yellow Helmet cover and the White Helmet cover look much the same under Floodlights which hampers identification of Riders. I would be in favour of a return to the Yellow/Black cover for this reason. Which would look like the Black & White helmet cover of a Tactical ride............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Didn't hear Pearson and Tatum comparing the team outfits (unless I missed it) Perhaps their wives were discussing the riders apparel. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Which would look like the Black & White helmet cover of a Tactical ride............................. Obviously you would have to use a different Colour for the bloody Tactical Ride. Green perhaps - they must have plenty of them left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Obviously you would have to use a different Colour for the bloody Tactical Ride. Green perhaps - they must have plenty of them left. Where is the 'fishing rod' icon when you need one???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The White Knight Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Where is the 'fishing rod' icon when you need one???? Damn!! - I've run out of 'Likes'. I DO 'Like' this one though. You hooked me good and proper the Abbott. Love it!! :rofl: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 No offense taken Hadriandog - you have your opinion to which you are entitled - I have mine. I don't agree with you - but - it would be a sad thing if we all thought the same about everything. No need for this Forum for a start. As long as you eventually admit I am 'right' - we will be OK. ;) Well said Crump99 - I remember the days that you could identify the Rider by style, sometimes Bike, sometimes their Leathers and occasionally by Helmet Cover (not often). You simply cannot relate to the Riders these day - both they and their Bikes look about the same. :sad: Surely there is room for individuality in our Sport - as you say, Crowds are dropping and Sponsors are leaving - so the changes to what we have now have hardly been a roaring success - have they? There used to be a thing called TRADITION in Speedway - just imagine the trouble there would be if Man. Utd. decided they would play in blue shirts for marketing purposes - there would be hell on (look at Cardiff). It's the same in Speedway - they have totally thrown out the idea of Supporters relating to Riders in order to introduce something that might look more professional but is essentially BORING. Speedway needs it's glamour and it's individuality to survive long term - I doubt it will happen though. It's a shame if that is the only way to identify the Rider - see above. Very good point. Today the Yellow Helmet cover and the White Helmet cover look much the same under Floodlights which hampers identification of Riders. I would be in favour of a return to the Yellow/Black cover for this reason. Man Utd might well decide to play in blue one day,,, but they will all be wearing the same colours, apart from the goalie, their team colours,,, so they know who to pass to n stuff,,, if they all wore different colours, based on individuality, you would see a very different game... Don't you think it helps in speedway that the same strip could help those, (very few), that might actually want to 'team ride',,, and their partner being easily more visible to them,,, (not always the case tho, as seen on Tuesday),,, but in general, I mean,,, :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Man Utd might well decide to play in blue one day,,, but they will all be wearing the same colours, apart from the goalie, their team colours,,, so they know who to pass to n stuff,,, if they all wore different colours, based on individuality, you would see a very different game... Don't you think it helps in speedway that the same strip could help those, (very few), that might actually want to 'team ride',,, and their partner being easily more visible to them,,, (not always the case tho, as seen on Tuesday),,, but in general, I mean,,, :-) That sort of illustrates my point though - doesn't it. Everyone, including the Referee needs to know who the Goalkeeper is so he is dressed differently - for identification purposes. The fact that Speedway is a Team Sport does not mean that you don't need to identify individual Riders. Different Sports require different solutions. Speedway SHOULD have kept it's Racejackets AND it's TRADITIONS. It should also have sensible Rules/Regulations. If these new 'Suits' were so good, then why are lots more people not coming to see the spectacle. Lack of Individuality is ONE of the reasons, I suggest - they are all look the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 That sort of illustrates my point though - doesn't it. Everyone, including the Referee needs to know who the Goalkeeper is so he is dressed differently - for identification purposes. The fact that Speedway is a Team Sport does not mean that you don't need to identify individual Riders. Different Sports require different solutions. Speedway SHOULD have kept it's Racejackets AND it's TRADITIONS. It should also have sensible Rules/Regulations. If these new 'Suits' were so good, then why are lots more people not coming to see the spectacle. Lack of Individuality is ONE of the reasons, I suggest - they are all look the same. Perhaps the team suits are to try and made the gladiators LOOK professional, instead of everyone turning up with something making then looking like a bunch of misfits, then you would have a better case for a rant. Talking about individuality, I don't suppose anybody on here now looks at the fork and bike covers. Try it. Indeed. I think we're drifting from the original point here and you perhaps need to read HadrianDog's post again, not that I have any wish to discuss it any further so will bid you good day! As Arkwright would say, team suits are ok but you can't retire on them, it's the track action and presentation that's important! Didn't hear Pearson and Tatum comparing the team outfits (unless I missed it), only how good the track action was, much better live I might add. Couldn't keep away, could you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) That sort of illustrates my point though - doesn't it. Everyone, including the Referee needs to know who the Goalkeeper is so he is dressed differently - for identification purposes. The fact that Speedway is a Team Sport does not mean that you don't need to identify individual Riders. Different Sports require different solutions. Speedway SHOULD have kept it's Racejackets AND it's TRADITIONS. It should also have sensible Rules/Regulations. If these new 'Suits' were so good, then why are lots more people not coming to see the spectacle. Lack of Individuality is ONE of the reasons, I suggest - they are all look the same. maybe football should've aswell,,, and go back to kicking a pigs bladder around,,, or even a decapetated paupers head,,, the good 'ol days',,, lol Edited May 2, 2014 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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