screm Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Slap on the knuckles for you then I will get a letter for my mother excusing me from this week and next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Thats you off the drink then Never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 How bigger crowd are we expecting.. should I book online.. or risk paying at the gate Supporting the lads in the modern era I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackHalifax Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I think the material in use on the tracks is the main difference. it may look nice but in reality it is fine stuff that doesn't give the riders any grip, hence a number of surprises which happen when you see some of the inexperienced riders make the gate, hold the racing line and unless they make a mistake, they can win. Equally if you are behind, chase the dirt and it will be the equivalent of hitting the brakes. This is an issue in both leagues, not just the premier. Sadly we are now seeing unprecedented ftg heats. This is backed up by the number of restarts at mtgs as riders are desperate to win the / roll/ gamble / cheat their way in the 30yard chase from the start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I think the material in use on the tracks is the main difference. it may look nice but in reality it is fine stuff that doesn't give the riders any grip, hence a number of surprises which happen when you see some of the inexperienced riders make the gate, hold the racing line and unless they make a mistake, they can win. Equally if you are behind, chase the dirt and it will be the equivalent of hitting the brakes. This is an issue in both leagues, not just the premier. Sadly we are now seeing unprecedented ftg heats. This is backed up by the number of restarts at mtgs as riders are desperate to win the / roll/ gamble / cheat their way in the 30yard chase from the start. That's it in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 That's it in a nutshell. The amount off shale on the Ashfield track last Sunday would have fitted in a nutshell. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 How bigger crowd are we expecting.. should I book online.. or risk paying at the gate Supporting the lads in the modern era I guess Queues down Shielfield Terrace right round the corner to Robert Smiths. Hope the queue isn't too big in The B&G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Queues down Shielfield Terrace right round the corner to Robert Smiths. Hope the queue isn't too big in The B&G is that him from 'The Cure' ???,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 The sport wont go back so it might be a case of evolution rather than revolution, though your probably right about the tracks, most of the tracks are still of similar shape and size that they were in the sixties and seventies when they were built, but the bikes they use now are hardly recognisable to the one they used back in the day. In shape and size you could say that Tracks haven't changed since 1928. The composition has, but not the shape and size. I have said this many times on here, in the pursuit of greater speeds - the costs have risen astronomically - however - the Racing quality simply hasn't. It is still enjoyable - but crucially - it is no better as a spectacle than it was in the 'Sixties' which is as far back as I can remember, in some ways it is not as good as then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 In shape and size you could say that Tracks haven't changed since 1928. The composition has, but not the shape and size. I have said this many times on here, in the pursuit of greater speeds - the costs have risen astronomically - however - the Racing quality simply hasn't. It is still enjoyable - but crucially - it is no better as a spectacle than it was in the 'Sixties' which is as far back as I can remember, in some ways it is not as good as then. And it was probably a shilling to get and 2pence for the programme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 And it was probably a shilling to get and 2pence for the programme Not quite. But there were no expensive Vans to be paid for, no Titanium Parts for Engines etc. Most Tuning was done by the Rider, or his Mechanic. It is very easy to see why the costs for Speedway have risen so fast - what is NOT so obvious are the BENEFITS of all this extra Cost. The Racing was just as good on Two-Valve Uprights as it is today on Four-Valve 'Laydowns'. Possibly the times have improved by a second or two - but - the Racing certainly has not. Personally, I would be quite prepared to add a second to the Heat and enjoy the spectacle of four Riders hurtling around the Track on Two-Valve Engines. Cheaper to maintain, cheaper to Tune, costs in general vastly reduced and above all safer. It really is a 'no brainer' for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairplay1 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I think the material in use on the tracks is the main difference. it may look nice but in reality it is fine stuff that doesn't give the riders any grip, hence a number of surprises which happen when you see some of the inexperienced riders make the gate, hold the racing line and unless they make a mistake, they can win. Equally if you are behind, chase the dirt and it will be the equivalent of hitting the brakes. This is an issue in both leagues, not just the premier. Sadly we are now seeing unprecedented ftg heats. This is backed up by the number of restarts at mtgs as riders are desperate to win the / roll/ gamble / cheat their way in the 30yard chase from the start. A mate who stands with me on a Saturday night remarked about the cheating at the starts last week and suggested another tape which comes down behind the back wheel when the riders are in place, if a rider rolls back and touches that tape with back wheel then he is out excluded. no arguments OUT.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Not quite. But there were no expensive Vans to be paid for, no Titanium Parts for Engines etc. Most Tuning was done by the Rider, or his Mechanic. It is very easy to see why the costs for Speedway have risen so fast - what is NOT so obvious are the BENEFITS of all this extra Cost. The Racing was just as good on Two-Valve Uprights as it is today on Four-Valve 'Laydowns'. Possibly the times have improved by a second or two - but - the Racing certainly has not. Personally, I would be quite prepared to add a second to the Heat and enjoy the spectacle of four Riders hurtling around the Track on Two-Valve Engines. Cheaper to maintain, cheaper to Tune, costs in general vastly reduced and above all safer. It really is a 'no brainer' for me. another cost cutting improvement for riders would be for someone to ,manufacture a tyre that could last about 6 meetings, i can remember in days gone by when riders would cut there tyres with a hacksaw to get more meetings out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 A mate who stands with me on a Saturday night remarked about the cheating at the starts last week and suggested another tape which comes down behind the back wheel when the riders are in place, if a rider rolls back and touches that tape with back wheel then he is out excluded. no arguments OUT.. No need, just a clear rule and a referee with a decent set of gonads to put that rule into force, for example in last weeks meeting with Workington, Ht15 was stopped for Vissing moving at the start, which he was. The re-run was allowed to go, but IMO Vissing did exactly the same thing in the re-run as he did in the first staging. Maybe we should go back to concrete starts where the is little advantage in one gate over the other three. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Jade mudgway never had a problen passing riders of all numbers. Good riders as above always find a way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Jade mudgway never had a problen passing riders of all numbers. Good riders as above always find a way thats why he was the best No1 in the P.L As been as Screm is neglecting his job today. The weather is great up here, slightly overcast, with the chance of a light shower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairplay1 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 No need, just a clear rule and a referee with a decent set of gonads to put that rule into force, for example in last weeks meeting with Workington, Ht15 was stopped for Vissing moving at the start, which he was. The re-run was allowed to go, but IMO Vissing did exactly the same thing in the re-run as he did in the first staging. Maybe we should go back to concrete starts where the is little advantage in one gate over the other three. Thats the problem though they dont have the gonads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 thats why he was the best No1 in the P.L As been as Screm is neglecting his job today. The weather is great up here, slightly overcast, with the chance of a light shower. Quiet day at the ranch. Thats the problem though they dont have the gonads To be fair the referees are hamstrung by a wishy washy rule governing false starts or faulty starts, just needs a bit of clearing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Thats the problem though they dont have the gonads Never understood why a referee pulls the rider back when he did not move, did not touch the tapes and was lined up correctly, all the rider did was anticipate perfectly. I put an arguament on here a few seasons back for a second white line, but lined up to the centre spindle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Think I will have a Toby up with the bairn and Keith M... What's the weather like?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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