Grachan Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I'm not being critical of the draft system. I'm saying Swindon are likely to be the first to make a change. That was the initial question and that was the question I was answering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Look at Adam Ellis at Ipswich & the 2 Lewis's at Newcastle as well then if you want as they're exactly the same?. This draft was solely a cost cutting exercise & is proving that it's easier to score points in the Elite lge than what they are doing in the Premier lge. The draft was certainly a cost cutting exercise. The BSPA aren't alone. It's a disease that's spread all over the place. Transfer call centres to India 'It will enable us to give excellent customer service' type gollox. It's purely to save money. I call it self interest wearing a helping others frock. BSPA, self interest? You decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 It is ridiculous to expect significant improvement so soon. It seems odd that it is mainly Swindon supporters who are so critical of the draft system. They have done exceptionally well picking Steve Worrall. Other teams have poorer first picks and second picks who are struggling but seem more prepared to give the draft a chance and more able to see the potential benefits. How does posting about Max Clegg & several other riders in the draft including Dan Greenwood make this a Swindon issue?. I posted about the draft system full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 How does posting about Max Clegg & several other riders in the draft including Dan Greenwood make this a Swindon issue?. I posted about the draft system full stop. Read my post again. The only Swindon issue is that it is mainly, not exclusively, Swindon fans who are critical of the draft system. I suspect the real reason is the poor 1-5 chosen by Roscoe, which has highlighted the reserves performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Look at Adam Ellis at Ipswich & the 2 Lewis's at Newcastle as well then if you want as they're exactly the same?. This draft was solely a cost cutting exercise & is proving that it's easier to score points in the Elite lge than what they are doing in the Premier lge. You could well be right but probably better to judge in October rather than April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 You could well be right but probably better to judge in October rather than April. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 TBF, and I've said this many times now so sorry for sounding like a broken record. Swindon have had a really bad hand dealt to them with the draft, "You must sign two NL riders. Thats one has quit though, so now you have to have someone from the crumbs left by others. And you know the half decent rider you do have? He's going to miss a load of meeting because his PL team has priority - despite the fact we forced you to sign a double upper." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 TBF, and I've said this many times now so sorry for sounding like a broken record. Swindon have had a really bad hand dealt to them with the draft, "You must sign two NL riders. Thats one has quit though, so now you have to have someone from the crumbs left by others. And you know the half decent rider you do have? He's going to miss a load of meeting because his PL team has priority - despite the fact we forced you to sign a double upper." Steve seems to be available to guest for every other team in the lge though which just makes it even worse. I guess the real reasons of why Swindon let Josh go & whether it had anything to do with Sheffield dropping their interest In Nick will never be known but it is what it is. Swindon do seem to have slipped up letting Steve join The Aces as an asset though when they should've got him first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Read my post again. The only Swindon issue is that it is mainly, not exclusively, Swindon fans who are critical of the draft system. I suspect the real reason is the poor 1-5 chosen by Roscoe, which has highlighted the reserves performance. True. If Nikolai Klindt and Simon Gustafsson were performing anything like their potential and anywhere near their averages of two or three years ago it would probably be a totally different story. I might have missed a few but the following figures show a pattern of FTDP riders that have already beaten a 1-5 second strings so far this year :- Lewis Kerr has beaten 6, Adam Ellis 5 Ben Morley and Kyle Newman 3 Stefan Neilson and Tom Perry 2 and Lewis Blackbird , Benji Compton, Jason Garrity and Ashley Morris have all beaten at least 1. Ben Morley who came at (I think)No 18 on the draft list has already scored a paid maximum,and he doesn't even have a PL place.. Seeing as the FTDP riders have already taken some fairly impressive scalps (e.g. Peter Ljung, Adam Skornicki, and R.Worrall) it does seem that as we are still less than 2 months into the season there is a lot more to come from some of them. There is an argument that Swindon didn't do all that well on the pick but if there has been no improvement in their FTDP riders while others , such as Morley who came in close to the bottom of the list are visibly improving week on week then maybe Swindon fans ought to be asking why. I doubt whether Klindt or Gusafsson are much help as they can't even sort themselves out at the moment, and I really wonder whether riders like Kildemand and Batch, good as they are in themselves are really the right ones to pass on experience to the younger ones. That really is what the FTDP is about. A lot of NL riders know very little about set-ups and a good number of PL riders are not much more knowledgeable. A lot depends on how much the senior riders are prepared to pass on experience gained over the years. Swindon were unlucky losing Darryl Richings to injury but all clubs have that risk and have to live with it I do think Aces 51 has a good point, although we can't fully evaluate it until the end of the season. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I thought Bates was back in from some date in May & that riders can be added to the list so there will be problems. Yes he is back on the list at #17, two places ABOVE Lee Smart as should be the correct thing. He is only available as a guest tho which i think right now is the best outcome. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Yes he is back on the list at #17, two places ABOVE Lee Smart as should be the correct thing. He is only available as a guest tho which i think right now is the best outcome. It appears that Lions v Belle Vue could be young Max's last appearance for Leicester unless he produces the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) It appears that Lions v Belle Vue could be young Max's last appearance for Leicester unless he produces the goods. That's not official just hersay. Lets not put the lad under anymore pressure Edited May 1, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I think you will find the decision to drop Max Clegg has already been taken and it is just a case of waiting for the new rider to get ready for Elite league. I know some may not agree but think its best for young Max to have a rest and fully get his confidence back in the National league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Anyway Poole are the first team to drop a draft pick so we can stop this thread now!! Mods.....! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Anyway Poole are the first team to drop a draft pick so we can stop this thread now!! Mods.....! I think that was the reason for the thread - to show how ruthless Poole are with British riders 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 My point is that Swindon had one of the last picks in the first round, and then ended up with the last picks from the second round too. So, yes, that gives us a huge disadvatage at reserve and one that we are helpless to do much about. Who would I pick? I don't know about the riders enough to say. Just in terms of how the positions of the riders we have we are clearly at a disadvantage because our second pick, who would have been quite high in the second round, then opted out. So Swindon may be looking to strengthen if they can purely for that reason, but it's not a criticism of Dan Greenwood.Nor is it whingeing. It's a legitimate opinion. Also, Swindon's options should not be limited to riders below Dan. It should be riders at or below the original position of Josh Bates. correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I think you will find the decision to drop Max Clegg has already been taken and it is just a case of waiting for the new rider to get ready for Elite league. I know some may not agree but think its best for young Max to have a rest and fully get his confidence back in the National league So if he turns it around on Saturday then he is out anyway............Which he probably will because Belle Vue's reserves aren't the turbo twins at KL. I'll wait for the official line thanks. Edited May 1, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 As said before Swindon have been very lucky in the fact that Steve Worrall form has been so good based on what he has done before . How the draft was picked in the first place was wrong and it always will be . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobblytriers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I think you will find the decision to drop Max Clegg has already been taken and it is just a case of waiting for the new rider to get ready for Elite league. I know some may not agree but think its best for young Max to have a rest and fully get his confidence back in the National league I'm pretty sure I read something along those lines in the KL updates last night. I hope he doesn't give up and that he continues to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Surely its about how much the top 5 and management of the team have bought into the idea. Cant remember which topic it was in but when Ben Morley got his paid max somebody probably Waco Posted about the help and advice BM had received from his senior team mates. That maybe down to Jon Cook and Neil Vatcher or have the senior riders cottoned on that the reserves can win them the league. Davy Watt is now in the wily old campaigner camp not a worldbeater but solid and dependable and Peter Karlsson been there got the t shirt and any promotor worth his salt would be looking to him for next season. Off topic I don't know how many seasons PK has done over here but he deserves a farewell meeting when he calls it a day. Solid,dependable,reliable,consistent he*s a credit to the sport. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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