Which Team Will Be The First To Drop A Draft Pick ?

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Lots of questions and we will all just to wait and see for the answers.

 

Whatever those answers are Im sure there will be pkenty on here that arent happy with them!

 

It will interesting to see what date Bates is returned to the list.

 

Also whether he returns in a higher position given his u21 success.

 

Will he be returned to the list on a guest only basis (at least initially) as others who were added have been?

 

etc etc

[Steve0]

I agree but given that the original draft rules were changed from clubs being given priority to secure the services of locally based riders to some kind of pecking order based on how crap the team was last season, then that should continue to be applied during the season.

In other words if a draft rider becomes available he should be offered to all teams in the order of their crappiness from the previous season. Coventry were the crappiest so they get first pick and so on.

This may mean some riders who have been trying their hardest being demoralised as they are discarded as useless but it's the success of the teams that counts rather than the interests of the rider. If it means several riders having to change teams in some sort of mid season merry-go-round, completely disrupting their season then that's just hard cheese. After all, if the draft was to be in the riders best interests we wouldn't have them riding for teams hundreds of miles from home would we?

Besides, offering any 'new' draft rider in the order of team crappiness keeps everything above board doesn't it?

Except (using your example) Coventry are no longer the "crappiest" team so certainly shouldn't be given first pick. By that logic Birmingham who have currently poor picks (and Swindon) would get last choice for replacing them!

[Gavan]

Bates needs to go back on the draft list in whatever position he was originally in. Otherwise teams like BelleVue or Poole could drop their struggling reserve and it would make a mockery of the whole system

[B.V 72]

Bates needs to go back on the draft list in whatever position he was originally in. Otherwise teams like BelleVue or Poole could drop their struggling reserve and it would make a mockery of the whole system

Bates was seeded lower than both Belle vues and Pooles struggling reserves and Belle vue is a lot closer to Bates home near Sheffield

[Steve Shovlar]

Bates was seeded lower than both Belle vues and Pooles struggling reserves and Belle vue is a lot closer to Bates home near Sheffield

He could well end up there.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

 

In the S Star Bates did make a lot of travel time element which would point towards BV.

Edited April 26, 2014 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv

[MrMungo]

For me, the most pertinent question is why was Lee Smart graded so high?

That appeared to be the one obvious inconsistency with the Draft.

 

He finished last season on a 5.76 average. Which is comparable to #29 Dan Greenwood (5.74), #28 Darryl Ritchings (5.94). Surely he should've been graded between those 2.

 

I know he's a bit older and more experienced than some of the riders at the lower echelons of the draft, but even so, it seemed rather odd.

[Grachan]

Unless Darryl Ritchings regains his place in the side I would expect Swindon will make a change. I don't think having Dan Greenwood is doing the club or the rider any favours.

 

Swindon have done badly in the draft, and the impact of currently having to use their third choice as a second rider is having a big impact on results.

 

As stated, if a team make a change then it should be from the same position in the list that they were originally given or below.

 

Or would current league position alter that? And how?

[morganbike]

Unless Darryl Ritchings regains his place in the side I would expect Swindon will make a change. I don't think having Dan Greenwood is doing the club or the rider any favours.

 

Swindon have done badly in the draft, and the impact of currently having to use their third choice as a second rider is having a big impact on results.

 

As stated, if a team make a change then it should be from the same position in the list that they were originally given or below.

 

Or would current league position alter that? And how?

Again another poster who is looking to blame for your main teams performance. The rules are set and Dan is no worse a rider than Leicesters reserves. Just because Bates shafted Swindon it would not alter the 1 to 5 performances.Dan stayed on and picked up his reserve points at lakeside as you would expect from a 20 yr old kid on his 3rd season.

Ill repost this for you

 

Ok so from the current draft list who would you put in. ??

These are the riders who are above/below Dan. Or they can guest 4 times.

 

Brendon Johnson

Lee Payne

Luke Crang

Nathan Greaves

Matt Williamson

 

Above

Compton

Hopwood

 

As regards new riders entering the updated list on 1st of the month, from the current Nat Lg teams I see

Cockle

Armstrong

Aitkin

Wilson

These 4 would enter above Dan so can't use them unless the rules are manipulated.

All the rest in NL not on the Draft List are way behind Dan in ability.

 

It's ok in the past for you all to accept a foreign reserve and mechanic with flights accommodation van fuel oil tyre bikes paid for and costing the club loads of money and still struggling or scoring 18 a meet.

All these draft riders signed last November and they all get the same minimal points and mileage money,methanol fuel,tyre and oil. Nothing else. Dans crash at Poole cost over £1200 in damage. Stop winging and get behind these lads or stay at home.

Edited April 27, 2014 by morganbike

[Skodaman]

It would appear that Max Clegg will be the first to go according to Norrie Allan last night. Max's confidence is low.

[Crazy robin]

It would appear that Max Clegg will be the first to go according to Norrie Allan last night. Max's confidence is low.

They do love the old "confidence is low" quote when looking at replacing a rider do these team managers.

[Grachan]

My point is that Swindon had one of the last picks in the first round, and then ended up with the last picks from the second round too.

 

So, yes, that gives us a huge disadvatage at reserve and one that we are helpless to do much about.

 

Who would I pick? I don't know about the riders enough to say. Just in terms of how the positions of the riders we have we are clearly at a disadvantage because our second pick, who would have been quite high in the second round, then opted out.

 

So Swindon may be looking to strengthen if they can purely for that reason, but it's not a criticism of Dan Greenwood.Nor is it whingeing. It's a legitimate opinion.

 

Also, Swindon's options should not be limited to riders below Dan. It should be riders at or below the original position of Josh Bates.

Edited April 27, 2014 by grachan

[TMW]

They do love the old "confidence is low" quote when looking at replacing a rider do these team managers.

I haven't been a massive fan of Norrie and his outspoken ways with Max but I do think last night he was genuinly concerned.

[Crazy robin]

I haven't been a massive fan of Norrie and his outspoken ways with Max but I do think last night he was genuinly concerned.

I think most promotors,team managers & fans feel exactly the same way about how this draft can have negative effects on the riders especially the 2nd pick riders.

 

Things should've been put in place right at the beginning of it or simply there will be no riders left in the end & then what happens.

 

I'm not disputing anyone's concern for the riders & it just goes back to how little thought went into how things were going to be dealt with effectively.

[SteveLyric2]

I think there was quite a bit of thought that went into the Draft format. Unfortunately the PL promoters refused to play ball and left it solely to the EL.

 

With more PL clubs (votes) than EL, they will always usually win the day on any big decision in the best interests of the sport!!!

Edited April 27, 2014 by Skidder1

[Crazy robin]

I think there was quite a bit of thought that went into the Draft format. Unfortunately the PL promoters refused to play ball and left it solely to the EL.

 

With more PL clubs (votes) than EL, they will always usually win the day on any big decision in the best interests of the sport!!!

Compare the scoring of Lewis Bkackbird at Swindon & then to the 1 point at Workington last night & can you really say that it is really helping them progress?.

 

Surely he should be scoring better than that if the draft system is working??

[Bagpuss]

You are taking one meeting in isolation to suit your argument..... Blackbird has been very good so far for P'boro.

[Crazy robin]

You are taking one meeting in isolation to suit your argument..... Blackbird has been very good so far for P'boro.

Look at Adam Ellis at Ipswich & the 2 Lewis's at Newcastle as well then if you want as they're exactly the same?.

 

This draft was solely a cost cutting exercise & is proving that it's easier to score points in the Elite lge than what they are doing in the Premier lge.

[Aces51]

It is ridiculous to expect significant improvement so soon.

 

It seems odd that it is mainly Swindon supporters who are so critical of the draft system. They have done exceptionally well picking Steve Worrall. Other teams have poorer first picks and second picks who are struggling but seem more prepared to give the draft a chance and more able to see the potential benefits.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Aces51

[TMW]

It is ridiculous to expect significant improvement so soon.

 

It seems odd that it is mainly Swindon supporters who are so critical of the draft system. They have done exceptionally well picking Steve Worrall. Other teams have poorer first picks and second picks who are struggling but seem more prepared to give the draft a chance and more able to see the potential benefits.

and I'm pretty sure that had it not been for his accident Ritchings would have improved quite quickly to.

 

I don't think Leicester want to drop Clegg but he does seem to be playing on their minds in terms of what's good for him. I think a rider on a run of last places affects those around them rather than the riders themselves and they should be left to get on with it. Where the problem comes is because the reserve scores affect the meeting result and if the 1-5 aren't performing it is even more evident for instance Berwick v Newcastle last night it's fair to say that Berwick carried Carr but they can do that because the rest of the team are pulling in big scores but he will start performing eventually because he is a very determined young man. When the overseas riders come hear most of them have had their bad form and made their improvements out of sight. The British boys have to do it in full gaze.

Edited April 27, 2014 by TMW