Greensheet Averages

[waiheke1]

Actually,id be surprised if pawlicki on a 7 is but janowski not at a touch under 7, so poole probably only have ward/holder currently as a grade a?

[racers and royals]

No way any "dodgy " change will get past this rule

16.3.5 The BSPA MC monitors all proposed moves and has the sole responsibility to approve all

(re-)Declared Team Line-Ups having been satisfied they are in the best interests of the sport

[beesboybert]

The words ", except where the MA of the introduced Rider is equal to, or lower than the

Rider being replaced" suggests that there is nothing to stop someone replacing a second string with a traditional heatleader.

Using a different team as an example, before the Poole fans get all defensive, If Howarth benefits as a second string, and raises his average high enough to bring someone such as Freddie Lindgren in (I know it's a ridiculous situation, im just using them as examples) then there appears to be nothing in the rules to stop it, which seems a little silly.

Next year may be even more farcical when team building, if certain riders stay at second string, then riders such as Lindgren and others who do not ride over here this year could be on comparable averages.I hope the BSPA have plans in place to stop this sort of thing

[racers and royals]

The words ", except where the MA of the introduced Rider is equal to, or lower than the

Rider being replaced" suggests that there is nothing to stop someone replacing a second string with a traditional heatleader.

 

Using a different team as an example, before the Poole fans get all defensive, If Howarth benefits as a second string, and raises his average high enough to bring someone such as Freddie Lindgren in (I know it's a ridiculous situation, im just using them as examples) then there appears to be nothing in the rules to stop it, which seems a little silly.

 

Next year may be even more farcical when team building, if certain riders stay at second string, then riders such as Lindgren and others who do not ride over here this year could be on comparable averages.I hope the BSPA have plans in place to stop this sort of thing

Didn`t you read the post above yours !!!!

[SteveLyric2]

 

The words ", except where the MA of the introduced Rider is equal to, or lower than the

Rider being replaced" suggests that there is nothing to stop someone replacing a second string with a traditional heatleader.

Using a different team as an example, before the Poole fans get all defensive, If Howarth benefits as a second string, and raises his average high enough to bring someone such as Freddie Lindgren in (I know it's a ridiculous situation, im just using them as examples) then there appears to be nothing in the rules to stop it, which seems a little silly.

Next year may be even more farcical when team building, if certain riders stay at second string, then riders such as Lindgren and others who do not ride over here this year could be on comparable averages.I hope the BSPA have plans in place to stop this sort of thing

 

Using your example of introducing Lindgren for Howarth, I guess it would depend on whether both Andersen and Harris are classed as 'A' grade riders, (as per 17.4.2.)???

[E I Addio]

What is the definition of an "a grade" rider?

 

 

I checked the SCB website for the answer to that one. The Home page sets out the basic rules of the sport then adds "Any further questions, ask the person next to you".

 

So there is your answer. Don't ask the bloke in the pub or the old lady at the bus stop, or even the referee, its the person next to you that will have the answer. Pretty obvious I suppose when you think about it.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Must admit I missed the line "except where...." before my previous post.

 

So what I thought was a sensible safeguard is infact like a chocolate fireguard!

[waiheke1]

surely the "except for" applies only to thr 32 point rule, and not the two a grade rider or two double uppers rules?

i realise its badly written, but it would make no sense for a team to be allowed more than 2 double uppers simply because the rider they brought in had a loer acerage than the non double upper they ere replacing?

[stevebrum]

cheers....

 

would replacements still need to be within this figure??

 

Hopefully there will be no exceptions.

[waiheke1]

found it

 

17.3.3 Category 1 Riders will be listed on a “Grading Riders List”, published annually at the end of

each season showing an Assessed MA based upon results obtained in all other Professional

Speedway Leagues during that season.

17.3.4 Where a Rider has only an EL Established MA from the previous season, then this MA is

used. The top 20 Riders on the Final EL MA’s in the previous season will be graded as an “A”

Rider and shown accordingly on a List maintained by the BSPA.

am i right in reading this that a rider on an asessed average couldn't be an a grade rider, as they ouldn't have been in the top 20 of the previous season CMA? So Pawlicki at wolves for example ouldnt be an a grade rider, but cook or king would be?

so this may rule out kk, but not someone coming in on an assessed average, a lindback for example?

 

ok - so neither janowski was not in the top 20 in the final 2013 greensheets. so kk could join poole, assuming pawlicki is not classed as grade a.

however, Zagar, Cook and Nicholls all were i the top 20. So Belle Vue potentially have an illegal team?

Edited April 24, 2014 by waihekeaces1

[Pirate Nick]

Anybody know when riders get their new averages?

 

Be interesting to see how high the averages of some of the riders at 2 and 4 have raised.

New averages now on the BSPA website.

[waiheke1]

only michelsen has a new average? given the rolling average system, i don't understand why most other riders don't have new averages? I would have thought only those on assessed averages not having riddern 4 home and 4 away would not get new averages?

[mdmc82]

only michelsen has a new average? given the rolling average system, i don't understand why most other riders don't have new averages? I would have thought only those on assessed averages not having riddern 4 home and 4 away would not get new averages?

They are not the new averages, would say effective from 1st.

This is just showing change to any assessed averages that come in to place prior to 1st

[waiheke1]

ok thanks.

any thoughts on the legality of the belle vue team with three "a" grade riders if you take that as being the top 20 in the 2013 final greensheets?

 

Edit: actually holder and kk aren't listed in the final 2013 greensheets, but presumably have valid 2013 averages, so nicholls would fall just outside the top 20.

Edited April 24, 2014 by waihekeaces1

[SCB]

ok thanks.

any thoughts on the legality of the belle vue team with three "a" grade riders if you take that as being the top 20 in the 2013 final greensheets?

 

Edit: actually holder and kk aren't listed in the final 2013 greensheets, but presumably have valid 2013 averages, so nicholls would fall just outside the top 20.

Holder and KK were not in the final 2013 averages. They'd both been replace so don't count.

 

There will be new averages out this week as form the 1st I make it that Ryan Fisher will be Coventrys 3rd heatleader. Probably be other changes too - I'm thinking Skornicki at Birmingham.

[waiheke1]

Holder and KK were not in the final 2013 averages. They'd both been replace so don't count.

 

There will be new averages out this week as form the 1st I make it that Ryan Fisher will be Coventrys 3rd heatleader. Probably be other changes too - I'm thinking Skornicki at Birmingham.

ok, so does that make the belle vue team illegal?

[mdmc82]

Holder and KK were not in the final 2013 averages. They'd both been replace so don't count.

 

There will be new averages out this week as form the 1st I make it that Ryan Fisher will be Coventrys 3rd heatleader. Probably be other changes too - I'm thinking Skornicki at Birmingham.

KK & Holder still included as rode in 2013

[roo]

Oh how the Elite League has crumbled.

 

Gone are the days of world class teams and brilliant heat leaders.

 

Now, all we see is one decent rider per team, one back-up averaging what a third heatleader should be, three riders on mid/weak second string averages and the two reserves.

[SCB]

KK & Holder still included as rode in 2013

But they were not included in the final averages, so don't count.

Oh how the Elite League has crumbled.

 

Gone are the days of world class teams and brilliant heat leaders.

 

Now, all we see is one decent rider per team, one back-up averaging what a third heatleader should be, three riders on mid/weak second string averages and the two reserves.

Lower average heatleaders would actually, in a fair format, suggest a stronger league.

[roo]

But they were not included in the final averages, so don't count.

Lower average heatleaders would actually, in a fair format, suggest a stronger league.

 

how does heatleaders with five point averages suggest a stronger product when teams used to have third heat leaders on 7+ averages