george.m Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) With the dust settling on the rider performances and time to consider some of the other points raised on this thread. I've been to both Glasgow and Edinburgh twice this season, so a few observations comparing presentation. And I've tried to see this through the eyes of someone new to speedway who went to both Easter weekend meetings. First impression - £2 for a programme from the rained off Workington meeting of 6th April! Did include a bonus racecard insert from the Berwick meeting. Poor start. A PA system that stuttered. Meeting presenter - Edinburgh have one. Glasgow - tells us who to cheer for and who won the race. (I'm new to speedway - WTF is the black and white helmet?) Start marshalls - Glasgow have (had) one throwing a wobbler in public. Plus a girl who looks like she's ... well, not sure she looked confident in what she was doing. Promotion officials - Edinburgh - smart, easily identifiable and accessible. Smiling, chatting with punters. Getting punter feedback. Walking about amongst them. Glasgow - Lord Lucan? Raffle - Edinburgh - Ahh! a chance to win some dosh from that woman selling the tickets. Glasgow - wouldn't succeed in a job interview with BetFred or Barnados. Hint to Glasgow - Fund raising guys. Fund raising! Money. Dosh. Spondulics. No begging bowl mid-season. Capiche? Where TF is it? Food - Edinburgh - On entry as you go in. Clean, quick service. Glasgow - somewhere up the back of the stand, OK if you know where it is. Service is s...l...o...w. Cleanliness? Think I'll wait till after the meeting and go to the greasy chippy across the road from the stadium. The one with the two cats in the window and the four trading standards and council food hygiene officers having a meeting with the smoking chef in the blood and food stained apron. Beer - Edinburgh - bar easily visible and accessible. Glasgow - Like the food, "do they serve bevvy?" Shall we go back next week? Well if we do - we won't buy an old programme (on second thoughts we'll use that Berwick racecard), we'll take our own food/drink and we'd better swot up beforehand on what these four riders are doing out there. Edited April 21, 2014 by george.m 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 No we are starting at the top with the criticism and working our way down with the exception off rider's 2 & 3 and possibly 5 on this occasion. Funny that because on Friday the ridicule went from the bottom up.....Much easier to rip 2 british lads to shreds it's a national as it's pass time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Alternatively instead of spending heavily on importing another overseas rider, they offer Wolbert an advance to sort out his engines. Prior to yesterday, he has impressed at Ashfield and was certainly a class act at Armadale on Friday. Having been present yesterday, I'm surprised the Tigeratti on here did not credit Theo with being the only Tiger to lower the colours of both CooK & Masters, which was no mean feat. Also note that the Danish reserve duo appear exempt from criticism, despite both being ineffective Ineffective maybe , but that was through no lack of effort . Thomsen especially involved in a couple of terrific races . Their problem is that they cant gate for toffee , but both give their all in every race . Theo did very well in lowering Cook's colours , though he did have some help from Fox who held Cook up for over a lap . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Ive said this for years glasgows problem is fans who think they own the club, run the club too many hangers on. George made great point a out 50/50 draw total scam...food is poor....bar is poor 3 pound a bottle of lech....teams a joke...its in possil...our manager drives the tractor....anybody want to add....edinburgh do get it right on a friday great night out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Ive said this for years glasgows problem is fans who think they own the club, run the club too many hangers on. George made great point a out 50/50 draw total scam...food is poor....bar is poor 3 pound a bottle of lech....teams a joke...its in possil...our manager drives the tractor....anybody want to add....edinburgh do get it right on a friday great night out... What exactly do Edinburgh get so right ? Their team manager does the track too . How is the 50/50 draw a total scam ? there was £160 to the winner on Sunday , plus it's run by the supporters club and a percentage of the money raised goes to the club - nothing wrong with that in my book . The bar is only poor at the moment because of the vandalism that destroyed the last bar . The bottles are large bottles of beer , so 3 pound is on a par with anywhere else . There is a lot wrong at the moment and yes it's not ideal that the team manager is driving the tractor , but we cant give up on it . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) With the dust settling on the rider performances and time to consider some of the other points raised on this thread. I've been to both Glasgow and Edinburgh twice this season, so a few observations comparing presentation. And I've tried to see this through the eyes of someone new to speedway who went to both Easter weekend meetings. First impression - £2 for a programme from the rained off Workington meeting of 6th April! Did include a bonus racecard insert from the Berwick meeting. Poor start. A PA system that stuttered. Meeting presenter - Edinburgh have one. Glasgow - tells us who to cheer for and who won the race. (I'm new to speedway - WTF is the black and white helmet?) Start marshalls - Glasgow have (had) one throwing a wobbler in public. Plus a girl who looks like she's ... well, not sure she looked confident in what she was doing. Promotion officials - Edinburgh - smart, easily identifiable and accessible. Smiling, chatting with punters. Getting punter feedback. Walking about amongst them. Glasgow - Lord Lucan? Raffle - Edinburgh - Ahh! a chance to win some dosh from that woman selling the tickets. Glasgow - wouldn't succeed in a job interview with BetFred or Barnados. Hint to Glasgow - Fund raising guys. Fund raising! Money. Dosh. Spondulics. No begging bowl mid-season. Capiche? Where TF is it? Food - Edinburgh - On entry as you go in. Clean, quick service. Glasgow - somewhere up the back of the stand, OK if you know where it is. Service is s...l...o...w. Cleanliness? Think I'll wait till after the meeting and go to the greasy chippy across the road from the stadium. The one with the two cats in the window and the four trading standards and council food hygiene officers having a meeting with the smoking chef in the blood and food stained apron. Beer - Edinburgh - bar easily visible and accessible. Glasgow - Like the food, "do they serve bevvy?" Shall we go back next week? Well if we do - we won't buy an old programme (on second thoughts we'll use that Berwick racecard), we'll take our own food/drink and we'd better swot up beforehand on what these four riders are doing out there. Based upon my (limited) trips to Glasgow, a little harsh George.........but only a little. Love the description of the 'two cats' chippy Edited April 22, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Better performances on track and these issues will be less significant. I agree about the programme, give us an insert with the original programme for the restaging meeting not for a completely different team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) What exactly do Edinburgh get so right ? Their team manager does the track too . How is the 50/50 draw a total scam ? there was £160 to the winner on Sunday , plus it's run by the supporters club and a percentage of the money raised goes to the club - nothing wrong with that in my book . The bar is only poor at the moment because of the vandalism that destroyed the last bar . The bottles are large bottles of beer , so 3 pound is on a par with anywhere else . There is a lot wrong at the moment and yes it's not ideal that the team manager is driving the tractor , but we cant give up on it . So there's no misunderstanding can I clarify my point on funding raising. I'm not suggesting there is a scam, What I am suggesting is at Edinburgh there are numerous people walking through the crowd collecting fuel fund monies and selling raffle tickets. At Glasgow I didn't see anyone on Sunday, and I stood at the same spot in front of the tapes for best part of 12 heats. At Edinburgh if 10p falls out your pocket, a fund raiser will catch it before it hits the ground! One of my points about the bar and the food is that for a new comer, they are not obvious, lack of sign posts and the announcer could do more (yes he did advise on at least one occasion) to make people aware that they're available and when to find them. BTW - On Sunday I bought a burger and it was pretty good .... but nae onions! Edited April 22, 2014 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 What exactly do Edinburgh get so right ? Their team manager does the track too . Edinburgh's team manager for home meetings is Alex Harkess and away from home it is Alex Harkess or John Campbell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Funny that because on Friday the ridicule went from the bottom up.....Much easier to rip 2 british lads to shreds it's a national as it's pass time Ah that old chestnut whilst it wasn't the two reserves fault on Friday as they are clearly not good enough for PL racing at the minute. But if your not good enough where you come from shouldn't come into it if your not good enough your just simply not good enough regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 is that you Mr Trax??.... No this is me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 And your the master at those. Enjoy another wooden spoon wont you 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Enjoy another wooden spoon wont you . Why do you persist on going on thread's were your in-put is the same as the number off brain cells you possess Nil but i suppose it is your choice to be ignored by most Enjoy being brain dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Why do you persist on going on thread's were your in-put is the same as the number off brain cells you possess Nil but i suppose it is your choice to be ignored by most Enjoy being brain dead Will do 'mate' 👌. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Gazc, on 22 Apr 2014 - 4:23 PM, said: Ah that old chestnut whilst it wasn't the two reserves fault on Friday as they are clearly not good enough for PL racing at the minute. But if your not good enough where you come from shouldn't come into it if your not good enough your just simply not good enough regardless. Quite right it shouldn't but after all the vile analogies on Friday i'm sure they will take comfort in knowing that another point a piece and they will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Quite right it shouldn't but after all the vile analogies on Friday i'm sure they will take comfort in knowing that another point a piece and they will be. I don't know what was said but James has been around a few years now and has probably reached his level the other lad i know nothing about but it is hard for any young rider regardless of origin to get better they need track time and a pot of money for good equipment. Will do 'mate' . You wish never happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Edinburgh's team manager for home meetings is Alex Harkess and away from home it is Alex Harkess or John Campbell ok the former team manager then my point was that it's not a unique situation , if a little undesirable Edited April 22, 2014 by Paulco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 any young rider regardless of origin to get better they need track time and a pot of money for good equipment. At least on that we agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 At least on that we agree The biggest problem we have up here is the lack of training facilities or even a NL outfit run jointly by Glasgow and Edinburgh . There's enough coaching talent , James Grieves and Kenny McKinna to name but 2 , for it to be a success . For James McBain and Ryan MacDonald to have to travel to Stoke and Scunthorpe is a nonsense , but credit to them for doing it . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The biggest problem we have up here is the lack of training facilities or even a NL outfit run jointly by Glasgow and Edinburgh . There's enough coaching talent , James Grieves and Kenny McKinna to name but 2 , for it to be a success . For James McBain and Ryan MacDonald to have to travel to Stoke and Scunthorpe is a nonsense , but credit to them for doing it . It is a shame. You can add to that Tommy Fenwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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