ruffdiamond Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 With David being a keen angler,i would say he was rather proud of such a nice catch Who does the Newcastle update by the way??? Hit the nail on the head TWK Wouldnt it be great to say he parked on ONE of the racing lines!!!! I'm sure he was,,, done him 'like a kipper' i was at the meeting. One of the worst reffing displays I have ever witnessed.. believe Dave Dowling is 65 ish?...Is it time the retirement age for refs is looked at? maybe those lost spectacles in the box were his,,, they were'nt mine, mine were in me pocket, in me other coat, derrr :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 There has been many good riders at our track in the 21st century and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any of them complained about the track. Bjarne Pedersen Kenneth Bjerre Jesper Olsen Kenni Larsen Rene Bach Richie Worrall Stuart Robson Just to name a few of the top of my head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 There will always be a difference of opinion, it's a great sport which got turned into a farce, this is not the only meeting with bad refereeing decisions and I'm damn sure it will continue, as most have no conception of how a speedway bike works. As for the damage to Thomas' equipment, I saw it in the pits, I saw the mechanic have to take the chain from around the sprocket, you do not have to be Einstein to notice him bending down on track to get the bike moving, then walking the bike back still bending down holding the chain off the sprocket. And no he didn't move at the start, it was a clean start, as were the others which were pulled back. As for Robson only being given two lots of two minutes, read the rules my friend, as you cannot have a further two minutes once under starters orders. Simples, the ref robbed the fans of a better spectacle of speedway and Scunthorpe the win. Oooooohhhhh REALLY!!! What total nonsense.. You can't say that. It is true to say that without one or two of the Decisions made by the Referee Scunthorpe might have won, it would have certainly been possible. To say with such certainty, however, that they would have won is, I am afraid, rubbish. Unless, of course, you are 'Mystic Meg'................................................................................ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Not sure last time i saw the same two riders concede two 5-0's in a row (and due to 4 exclusions rather than ef's or anything else!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 There will always be a difference of opinion, it's a great sport which got turned into a farce, this is not the only meeting with bad refereeing decisions and I'm damn sure it will continue, as most have no conception of how a speedway bike works. As for the damage to Thomas' equipment, I saw it in the pits, I saw the mechanic have to take the chain from around the sprocket, you do not have to be Einstein to notice him bending down on track to get the bike moving, then walking the bike back still bending down holding the chain off the sprocket. And no he didn't move at the start, it was a clean start, as were the others which were pulled back. As for Robson only being given two lots of two minutes, read the rules my friend, as you cannot have a further two minutes once under starters orders. Simples, the ref robbed the fans of a better spectacle of speedway and Scunthorpe the win.at no time where they ' under starters orders' when robbo had bike problems.... The had just got to the tapes and were doing the usual pre race gardening.... The ref rightly put the 2 mins on straight away. Beginning to wonder if you were at the same meeting?? Where were you stood to see perfect starts and the damage and the changing of sprockets??... That must be some vantage point...I'm gonna stand there from now on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 It seems ironic that, when accused of dangerous and wilful disrespect for parking a bike on one of the racing lines, and elbowing opponents right from the start of a race, that it has conveniently changed now to the problems of it being a technical track. Nice conveniently "let's change the subject" to get off the issues in question, and in doing so give the opportunity for some Redcar fans to have a go at 'Rough' Park(sic). Anybody remember last year at Redcar with the 1 1/4 hour wait one week, followed by the 1 hour wait for the meeting starts, while they relayed the whole track. Some irony that. I wasn't there myself on Sunday night, but I spoke to Dave Peet around 30 minutes after the conclusion of the meeting. He didn't want to go into print saying much about the referee's decisions in the meeting, simply to say he felt several of them were "questionable". However, he did confirm to me what happened to Thomas, with the chain getting caught up. That did happen. All the best Rob Not sufficient to jam the wheel, and stop the bike being pushed with ease. FACT. The mechanic proved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 This match was described in Post 16 as a meaningless match, nine pages later it seems it was anything but. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) There has been many good riders at our track in the 21st century and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any of them complained about the track. Bjarne Pedersen Kenneth Bjerre Jesper Olsen Kenni Larsen Rene Bach Richie Worrall Stuart Robson Just to name a few of the top of my head Yeah.... But there all Newcastle riders, which kinda backs up my original post (or rather that Newcastle gadgey's post who I replied to). It seems ironic that, when accused of dangerous and wilful disrespect for parking a bike on one of the racing lines, and elbowing opponents right from the start of a race, that it has conveniently changed now to the problems of it being a technical track. Nice conveniently "let's change the subject" to get off the issues in question, and in doing so give the opportunity for some Redcar fans to have a go at 'Rough' Park(sic). Anybody remember last year at Redcar with the 1 1/4 hour wait one week, followed by the 1 hour wait for the meeting starts, while they relayed the whole track. Some irony that. Not sufficient to jam the wheel, and stop the bike being pushed with ease. FACT. The mechanic proved that. Or Brough Parks technical track conveniently changed by a rider parking his bike... Edited April 22, 2014 by cheekycobra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackHalifax Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Having been to both matches over Easter weekend, I have to say without the spicy bits to get the crowd going there wasn't much to get exited about. I do like it when Scunny come to Newcastle as they tend to have a go unlike the Sheffield effort recently. At Scunny I thought they could of graded the third and fourth bends more to give the riders a different line. It had a blue groove by heat 3 and was way too deep on the outside half of the track. At Newcastle it was too deep on the third and fourth bend outside line but was of a finer material which doesn't seem to bind and give riders grip, on the contrary it just unsettles them. Ryan was good and a little exuberant which caused his crashes, but he will learn fast. Howe was his usual self, competitive and sensible, TJ was quick but got a couple of rollers and had a mad moment ( the DVD will show the truth ). Anton showed improvement but was knocked about a bit, Robbo and Luudde were entertaining ( Ludde unlucky to blow the engine in ht 15 ), the rest hit and miss (excuse the pun ) but Lewis Kerr had a night to forget. Speedway has high and lows and it's how they bounce back that matters.Lewis will bounce back quickly. Already looking forward to the league matches . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 So TJ is now a weak muscled sparrow who cant drag a finely tuned racing machine out of harms way. Lets just assume that this ageing ref had failed to apply the red lights- exactly who would now be in hospital. Rider safety is paramount and petulance is best left in the playground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulvik Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 having witnessed Mr Dowling ref the NL match at Scunny on Good Friday I totally with the point made about his performace in post 130 on at least 3 ocassions when it was clear the fallen riders could not clear the track he allowed the race to continue for too long . Only once his attention had been drawn to the fact by the center green staff waving the red flags and in once case even stepping onto the trace did he eventually stop the race. Maybe it's time speedway took a leaf out of other sports and do a sponcership deal for the refs. As the Rugby league all ready are using specsavers may I suggest BLIND INSTITUTE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 This match was described in Post 16 as a meaningless match, nine pages later it seems it was anything but. was 'pretty pointless',,, although there was points scored and points raised,,, none of the teams could progress any further in the competition, it was just a case of fulfilling the fixture's and, of course the averages,,, to see if we can get a number 1 ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Can I suggest that the Scunny apologists on here get in touch with Bob Tasker of GRT Media at your track, put some money in his hands and purchase a copy of his DVD, which shows quite conclusively what really happened on Sunday night. Hope someone is sending it to the SCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Can I suggest that the Scunny apologists on here get in touch with Bob Tasker of GRT Media at your track, put some money in his hands and purchase a copy of his DVD, which shows quite conclusively what really happened on Sunday night. Hope someone is sending it to the SCB. Most speedway supporters dont need to line Bobs pockets with Silver to know that its an awfull track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Most speedway supporters dont need to line Bobs pockets with Silver to know that its an awfull track That's NOT the subject of the discussion. It's the wilful and reckless actions of a speedway rider, showing no respect, and whose actions were risking several riders potential harm. Get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Most speedway supporters dont need to line Bobs pockets with Silver to know that its an awfull trackok I will bite...hows it awful montie?? Because it's not flat out?? Because it's not custom built?.. What are you're fav tracks??And how do you define most?? It's well known for improving riders no end, and there are plenty of away riders who are majestic around the hallowed shale of "rough park"...including Scunny legend David Howe who scored double figures, yet hadnt managed that at Scunny all season:) In fact it has served as a pivotal tool in the career of many a world champ. Case closed Edited April 23, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 That's NOT the subject of the discussion. It's the wilful and reckless actions of a speedway rider, showing no respect, and whose actions were risking several riders potential harm. Get it. Which didn't actually happen, as the chain got jammed in the sprocket. Get it. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Which didn't actually happen, as the chain got jammed in the sprocket. Get it. All the best Rob ... You're not the press officer for nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Which didn't actually happen, as the chain got jammed in the sprocket. Get it. All the best Rob When did the chain jam? I only ask, as the bike coasted from the entry in to turn one until it came to a halt at exit turn 1/beginning of turn two, which is where Thomas left it. Also, why did team manager Dave Peet have a shouting match with Thomas when Thomas returned to his pit? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) ... You're not the press officer for nothing Shades of Max Clifford here. After the Ben Powell/Kenni Larsen incident a few years ago, I and many others, praised Rob and Scunny for the prompt and appropriate action again Ben Powell, who was subsequently banned and fined from British Speedway. I am not surprised the both Rob and Dave P are staying out of this, as I think they are both very fair and honest guys in my opinion, and will take possibly be dealing with this in private in their own way. Enter Rob (Lucifer Sam) Edited April 23, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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