scribbler Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 If TJ was 'having a paddy' why would he endanger his own life by staying with the bike? Surely the usual thing to do is park the bike and walk away... Perhaps standing by the bike and the gesticulations to the ref. were to try and attract the refs attention to bike problems - and the fact TJ couldn't move it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 The ref excluded Thomas Jørgensen not once but twice, when both should'be been all four back. He stopped four race when Scunthorpe riders made excellent starts, not jumped just excellent starts. Gave Stuart Robson four minutes to get his second bike going. The list is horrendous. If that's value for money, then if I were you I would ask for a refund. However, they do say it's grim oop north, and they are not wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 how did we cheat??....and how was the ref bias?? Can you expand?? You must have been in the pits then?? And having spannered myself over the years, it's not that difficult for a grown man to lift the back end up and move a speedway bike 10 yards in a few seconds.... Chain or no bloody chain.... He didn't even attempt it, AT ALL...he was more concerned with the gesticulating at the ref!!..What's your point?? would you be able to see the incident from the pits,,, through the air fence like ??? The ref excluded Thomas Jørgensen not once but twice, when both should'be been all four back. He stopped four race when Scunthorpe riders made excellent starts, not jumped just excellent starts. Gave Stuart Robson four minutes to get his second bike going. The list is horrendous. If that's value for money, then if I were you I would ask for a refund. However, they do say it's grim oop north, and they are not wrong! he did'nt give him 4 minutes,,, he gave him 2, twice,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) The ref excluded Thomas Jørgensen not once but twice, when both should'be been all four back. He stopped four race when Scunthorpe riders made excellent starts, not jumped just excellent starts. Gave Stuart Robson four minutes to get his second bike going. The list is horrendous. If that's value for money, then if I were you I would ask for a refund. However, they do say it's grim oop north, and they are not wrong!what a load of rubbish.... Buy the DVD and take your blinkers off to watch it....As for robbo, he was at the tapes and no 2 minutes had been on, he had probs and the ref put the 2 mins on immediately....he made the 2 min on his second bike, the re run was an unsatisfactory start and then the next re run Kerr went down baulked by auty on bend 2 and was excluded... How the hell is that giving him 4 minutes?? would you be able to see the incident from the pits,,, through the air fence like ??? , not the incident, to be able to see the damaged sprocket and chain etc.... Quite difficult to see the Scunny side of the pits from the terrace, let alone a close up of what's what. Edited April 21, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Elbows to first turn free wheels the bike another thirty yards throwing his arms about then parks up end of . No attempt to get himself and bike off track .Going off body language he looked well pst off thinking it should have been all four back . By the way he moved at the start 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Elbows to first turn free wheels the bike another thirty yards throwing his arms about then parks up end of . No attempt to get himself and bike off track .Going off body language he looked well pst off thinking it should have been all four back . By the way he moved at the start and so did David Howe in ht 1,,, Henry took the bait and got excludified,,, no warning for David tho,,, and I wear glasses, but did'nt have them on :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Funny as the mechanic had to remove the rear chain from the behind the rear sprocket before moving the bike not just pull the clutch in, if anyone needs help it's you. I watched the mechanic then remove the rear wheel and badly damaged sprocket all caused by the contact, and fit another sprocket. You pay your money to watch a good meeting ran by an un biased ref, what you actually watched was a farce. I would get your facts right pal, next time Newcastle Cheaters are in town, I will be first in the queue to get my ticket, I cannot wait, it shall be good. If you are saying it was the ref that was at wrong how is it the 'Newcastle Cheaters' fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 he did'nt give him 4 minutes,,, he gave him 2, twice,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Funny as the mechanic had to remove the rear chain from the behind the rear sprocket before moving the bike not just pull the clutch in, if anyone needs help it's you. I watched the mechanic then remove the rear wheel and badly damaged sprocket all caused by the contact, and fit another sprocket. You pay your money to watch a good meeting ran by an un biased ref, what you actually watched was a farce. I would get your facts right pal, next time Newcastle Cheaters are in town, I will be first in the queue to get my ticket, I cannot wait, it shall be good. that'll be Friday 27th June,,, do you think it will really be that busy, yeah know, tickets n que's ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I would concur with the character assessment.. Has always come across as a very polite and mild mannered lad. As for the incident, wasn't there so can't comment. If he is following Auty's example then exploitation of the rules will or have already become second nature methinks. The ref excluded Thomas Jørgensen not once but twice, when both should'be been all four back. He stopped four race when Scunthorpe riders made excellent starts, not jumped just excellent starts. Gave Stuart Robson four minutes to get his second bike going. The list is horrendous. If that's value for money, then if I were you I would ask for a refund. However, they do say it's grim oop north, and they are not wrong! Misguided 'middlener, sorry is Scunny North or South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulvik Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I was'nt at this match so can't really comment on the parked bike incident. However having read the updates as they came through and the comments on here it is clear that the ref was at fault some of the time, and this seems to be a theme this season. Anybody who watched the Good Friday meetings at Scunthorpe would have seen some bad decisions made in the refs box mainly when it came to putting the red lights on especallay in the NL meeting. On at least 2 instants the center green staff along with the growd were trying to draw the refs attention to riders still laying on the track upto half a lap later. and in one race 2 riders were still on the ground on the 1st bend as the lead rider exited the 4th bend at race speed and still the lights werent on. I know it's fashionable to have a go at the ref in any sport if the decision dosent go your teams way. But a sport such as speedway were everybody agrees the riders safety comes first refs should be more aware and a little quicker in stopping a race that as been seen of late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 There will always be a difference of opinion, it's a great sport which got turned into a farce, this is not the only meeting with bad refereeing decisions and I'm damn sure it will continue, as most have no conception of how a speedway bike works. As for the damage to Thomas' equipment, I saw it in the pits, I saw the mechanic have to take the chain from around the sprocket, you do not have to be Einstein to notice him bending down on track to get the bike moving, then walking the bike back still bending down holding the chain off the sprocket. And no he didn't move at the start, it was a clean start, as were the others which were pulled back. As for Robson only being given two lots of two minutes, read the rules my friend, as you cannot have a further two minutes once under starters orders. Simples, the ref robbed the fans of a better spectacle of speedway and Scunthorpe the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) and so did David Howe in ht 1,,, Henry took the bait and got excludified,,, no warning for David tho,,, and I wear glasses, but did'nt have them on :-) With David being a keen angler,i would say he was rather proud of such a nice catch Who does the Newcastle update by the way??? . The Bike was parked deliberately on the racing line. . . Hit the nail on the head TWK Wouldnt it be great to say he parked on ONE of the racing lines!!!! Edited April 22, 2014 by montie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) i was at the meeting. One of the worst reffing displays I have ever witnessed.. believe Dave Dowling is 65 ish?...Is it time the retirement age for refs is looked at? Edited April 22, 2014 by Mike.Butler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 i was at the meeting. One of the worst reffing displays I have ever witnessed.. believe Dave Dowling is 65 ish?...Is it time the retirement age for refs is looked at? The referees retiring age was extended two seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulvik Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The way I see it is the Ref has a hard job no matter what dicision a ref makes they will upset one team and it's fans. As for extenting the retiring age this will only have been done because there aren't any younger refs comming through maybe this is something the bspa and the control board should address Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Once again, the old chestnut about 'rough park' the track last night, and for the last couple of seasons, weather permitting, has been smooth and consistent. The problem appears to be the long straights with tight bends which require a particular style to scrub off the speed to enter bends 1 and 3. Some riders achieve this better than others, if not done correctly, a lock up is likely, or if you go in too hot you end up heading for the fence. I was there last night, and the ref. decided to return to letting rolling starts from the 60's go. The bike parking wasn't the only bit of dangerous riding by Jorgenson, don't know what he'd had for tea, raw meat? Auty was also riding very hard, you could see other riders backing off as he changed lines. The bike was pushed off the track, not carried, so the jammed chain must have miraculously freed itself. And there I guess is the problem. In modern speedway ( no good saying "Ivan Mauger new how to ride it"), tracks shouldn't have riders " scrubbing off speed". If it isn't done correctly then riders shouldn't be "locking up" or "heading for the fence". In this day and age, all speedway tracks should be fair for both teams. A home track advantage is down to knowing the faster lines, not knowing at which point to "slow down". You cant argue with the facts that Brough park has its fair share of tumbles for both sides. Away supporters have blamed the track itself been rough and uneven, but whatever the reason, it seems that there "IS" a reason, so maybe its time for this track to be brought into the 21st century. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 And there I guess is the problem. In modern speedway ( no good saying "Ivan Mauger new how to ride it"), tracks shouldn't have riders " scrubbing off speed". If it isn't done correctly then riders shouldn't be "locking up" or "heading for the fence". In this day and age, all speedway tracks should be fair for both teams. A home track advantage is down to knowing the faster lines, not knowing at which point to "slow down". You cant argue with the facts that Brough park has its fair share of tumbles for both sides. Away supporters have blamed the track itself been rough and uneven, but whatever the reason, it seems that there "IS" a reason, so maybe its time for this track to be brought into the 21st century. Does that include Wolverhampton , Lakeside, Eastbourne, Edinburgh. As I said before a lot of riders only know how to use the throttle one way. Can I ask you to record all the falls until the end of season at Redcar and I will do the same here at Newcastle should be interesting findings . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) On Ryans second off the heat was stopped I think because the ref could not see past the air fence. The red lights came on barely a fraction of a second before a yellow helmet bobbed up from behind the fence as Ryan attempted to clear his bike from the track. The refs finger would been still on the button. How much bearing have these new air fences had on the visibility at some tracks I wonder. Edited April 22, 2014 by HadrianDog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) It would be interesting to hear the view of the Scunny Team manager of the events given that Dave Peet used to be a referee. I wasn't there myself on Sunday night, but I spoke to Dave Peet around 30 minutes after the conclusion of the meeting. He didn't want to go into print saying much about the referee's decisions in the meeting, simply to say he felt several of them were "questionable". However, he did confirm to me what happened to Thomas, with the chain getting caught up. That did happen. All the best Rob Edited April 22, 2014 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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