ruffdiamond Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 They don't prevent it, as well you know. Like a lot of small tracks, you need the skill to turn a bike and then you get good fair racing. Newcastle has produced too many top riders to deserve what you are implying. The difference in those cases is in the words 'block off every run around the boards from gates 3 and 4'. Auty was trying to ride into people and being unsafe. Several riders had a go at him, did riders have a go at Robbo. Probably the difference is that Robbo is a safe, tenacious rider who is fair to other riders, A riders rider. On the other hand Auty..... How come if they ride the same style, that Robbo is not held in the same way as Auty. Still Nicki's biggest fan and a lover of his determined style. People go to watch him and pay to see him. A bit like Robbo. it said on the updates that Douglas took Rosen off in ht 4,,, clearly it was Auty,,, and considering recent event's involving him, one would have to suggest that, Richard Hall did'nt kick him hard enough, IMO. lol,,, but apart from that, enjoyed the meeting and Scunny were well worth it for the entertainment :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 There we have it, no one ever acts out of character. At what point did the ref put the red lights on?when it was obvious what TJ was doing, roughly as the riders came onto the home straight with TJ stood just before bend 2 gesticulating in an aggressive manner.... Riders actually passed him and his bike in pulling up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 At what point did the ref put the red lights on? As the riders were coming down the home straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) So the lights came on in roughly 7 seconds during which time his bike has coasted to a stop he has had time to reposition it get off take his helmet and goggles off get to the centre green all the time during which the ref must have been watching to decide what was happening to be able to know and fine him. So who was watching the other 3 riders? Not saying either version is correct (your fans have on view the rider a different one) but if I was suddenly infuriated about a decision that is not what I would be doing it would be more of stop sharply chuck the bike down and go mad straight away. If however my chain had come off losing power and bike coming to a halt I would get off to move the bike but if it won't move( chain jammed or in a rush forget to pull clutch in) I would then get off the track myself and try to warn people. 7 seconds is a very short time to do something so calculated and dangerous on purpose as described but is short enough to panic. Edited April 21, 2014 by The Scunthorpe bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 So the lights came on in roughly 7 seconds during which time his bike has coasted to a stop he has had time to reposition it get off take his helmet and goggles off get to the centre green all the time during which the ref must have been watching to decide what was happening to be able to know and fine him. So who was watching the other 3 riders? Not saying either version is correct (your fans have on view the rider a different one) but if I was suddenly infuriated about a decision that is not what I would be doing it would be more of stop sharply chuck the bike down and go mad straight away. If however my chain had come off losing power and bike coming to a halt I would get off to move the bike but if it won't move( chain jammed or in a rush forget to pull clutch in) I would then get off the track myself and try to warn people. 7 seconds is a cery he did not attempt to move the bike at all, at anytime.... He dismounted, layed it on the foot rest and stood by it... I'm sure the DVD will prove what he did once it's available.Lights would have came on after about 14-15 seconds not 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is this still going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 So now he just got of where he was and stood there which is different to what was said earlier. I'm sure the DVD will but depends if it followed the race or what was happening with Thomas. Do you have live feed there as I know at Sheffield grt send it live to TV's and wonder if it goes to the ref? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I have known Thomas Jorgensen since he rode for Wolves in 2012. A more honest and upright young man I have yet to meet.Having socialised with him on many occasions I feel I know him better than most of the people on this forum. following the meeting on the update site my initial response to my wife about heat 10 was " that's not like Thomas there is more to this than parking his bike to cause problems" Having read his account on his website I have to believe his version knowing him as well as I do.In my opinion the person who is not getting any criticism is the referee.His job is to keep an eye open for any rider who drops out of the race for any reason to make sure he clears the track. This he failed to do in spite of Thomas gesticulating to attract his attention. He then compounded this mistake by handing down a fine to the rider hoping to mask the fact that his mistake was the cause of the problem. I would concur with the character assessment.. Has always come across as a very polite and mild mannered lad. As for the incident, wasn't there so can't comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 So now he just got of where he was and stood there which is different to what was said earlier. I'm sure the DVD will but depends if it followed the race or what was happening with Thomas. Do you have live feed there as I know at Sheffield grt send it live to TV's and wonder if it goes to the ref?no it's not on any screens anywhere to my knowledge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 no it's not on any screens anywhere to my knowledge.... Would possibly help especially for refs if it was. I know for a fact often what individuals and the ref seein a couple of seconds is not actually what happened and as they say the camera never lies!! (Only fans and riders!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I would concur with the character assessment.. Has always come across as a very polite and mild mannered lad. As for the incident, wasn't there so can't comment. So would I actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 yes I do, I stood and watched from about 50yards away... He parked his bike on the track and stood gesturing at the ref, he made no attempt what so ever to clear the track because he'd spat his dummy out.... Happy?? That is the EXACT TRUTH!! I saw it exactly the same way. The Bike was parked deliberately on the racing line. A VERY dangerous and VERY stupid thing to do. Maybe Jorgensen lost his temper - we can ALL do that. I am sure that on cooler reflection he will regret his actions. I would concur with the character assessment.. Has always come across as a very polite and mild mannered lad. As for the incident, wasn't there so can't comment. That is, by far, the most sensible Post from anyone who was not there. :approve: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 That is the EXACT TRUTH!! I saw it exactly the same way. The Bike was parked deliberately on the racing line. A VERY dangerous and VERY stupid thing to do. Maybe Jorgensen lost his temper - we can ALL do that. I am sure that on cooler reflection he will regret his actions. That is, by far, the most sensible Post from anyone who was not there. :approve: Some are even trying to count seconds to try to get Thomas off the charge. Got to laugh at conspiracy theories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 That is the EXACT TRUTH!! I saw it exactly the same way. The Bike was parked deliberately on the racing line. A VERY dangerous and VERY stupid thing to do. Maybe Jorgensen lost his temper - we can ALL do that. I am sure that on cooler reflection he will regret his actions. That is, by far, the most sensible Post from anyone who was not there. :approve: not really sure about that,,, cos am not actually sure that he had a dummy, but the rest seems about right, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Funny as the mechanic had to remove the rear chain from the behind the rear sprocket before moving the bike not just pull the clutch in, if anyone needs help it's you. I watched the mechanic then remove the rear wheel and badly damaged sprocket all caused by the contact, and fit another sprocket. You pay your money to watch a good meeting ran by an un biased ref, what you actually watched was a farce. I would get your facts right pal, next time Newcastle Cheaters are in town, I will be first in the queue to get my ticket, I cannot wait, it shall be good. Edited April 21, 2014 by Rider Replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Not conspiracy theories just gathering facts. When just a small selection of people on here cannot even get the facts the same how can either be said to be correct. Last night he deliberately placed it moving it then walked off to the centre green to "paddy" today he slowed to a halt got off and undressed standing next to the bike so therefore putting himself in danger too! As I said before anger of being wronged and calm calculated decision of placing a bike in a certain place don't go together in such a short timeframe. It would result in chucking bikes or attempting to get someone after the race Let's see what happens tonight on the cradley Coventry match discussion it will be similar to this cradley will blame the ref and say max was fenced and coventry will say the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 White Knight are you for real? Guess you have no idea how a speedway bike works, typical a.n.other keyboard warrior- blurp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Funny as the mechanic had to remove the rear chain from the behind the rear sprocket before moving the bike not just pull the clutch in, if anyone needs help it's you. I watched the mechanic then remove the rear wheel and badly damaged sprocket all caused by the contact, and fit another sprocket. You pay your money to watch a good meeting ran by an un biased ref, what you actually watched was a farce. I would get your facts right pal, next time Newcastle Cheaters are in town, I will be first in the queue to get my ticket, I cannot wait, it shall be good.how did we cheat??....and how was the ref bias?? Can you expand?? You must have been in the pits then?? And having spannered myself over the years, it's not that difficult for a grown man to lift the back end up and move a speedway bike 10 yards in a few seconds.... Chain or no bloody chain.... He didn't even attempt it, AT ALL...he was more concerned with the gesticulating at the ref!!..What's your point?? Edited April 21, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 You obviously no nothing if you're asking the question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 You obviously no nothing if you're asking the question!no I think you're fabricating, so enlighten us??.... Put up or shut up as they say!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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