erniew Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Once again, the old chestnut about 'rough park' the track last night, and for the last couple of seasons, weather permitting, has been smooth and consistent. The problem appears to be the long straights with tight bends which require a particular style to scrub off the speed to enter bends 1 and 3. Some riders achieve this better than others, if not done correctly, a lock up is likely, or if you go in too hot you end up heading for the fence. I was there last night, and the ref. decided to return to letting rolling starts from the 60's go. The bike parking wasn't the only bit of dangerous riding by Jorgenson, don't know what he'd had for tea, raw meat? Auty was also riding very hard, you could see other riders backing off as he changed lines. The bike was pushed off the track, not carried, so the jammed chain must have miraculously freed itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 .... Then to deliberately fencing an opponent!! .... Didn't think he was like that??Bit Bit Like Rosen on Friday then eh??? its racing and it happens Dont think Ryan is over zealous, kids a proper racer,shame those awfull narrow straights and tight turns prevent it really, It was NOT due to the track. Had nothing to do with it The problem was twofold in that certain Scunny riders were prone to elbowing opponents to get through, and the new phenomena of Auty gating but deciding to take off any home rider was challenged him for the lead. I think I have heard something recent about the latter. Did you not see the brilliant Robbo at the EWR on Friday Dave,his first corners were brilliantly brutal,used ever bit of his experience to block every run around the boards from Gates 3 and 4,you could say he tried to take off any rider i guess,but id prefer to say well done Robbo,did what he had to do I thought u were Nikki P`s biggest fan Dave!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Bit Like Rosen on Friday then eh??? its racing and it happens Dont think Ryan is over zealous, kids a proper racer,shame those awfull narrow straights and tight turns prevent it really, I wasn't there on Friday but take you're word for it, what he did in both his exclusions last night though was both dangerous and irresponsible. Douglas was racing far too wide, even when well in front and fell of his own accord, seemed to miss judge the bends and hit the air fence through lack of room... Very impressive though and by over zealous I mean trying to blast around the outside when miles in front rather than changing his lines and scrubbing a bit of speed off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Bit Like Rosen on Friday then eh??? its racing and it happens Dont think Ryan is over zealous, kids a proper racer,shame those awfull narrow straights and tight turns prevent it really, Did you not see the brilliant Robbo at the EWR on Friday Dave,his first corners were brilliantly brutal,used ever bit of his experience to block every run around the boards from Gates 3 and 4,you could say he tried to take off any rider i guess,but id prefer to say well done Robbo,did what he had to do I thought u were Nikki P`s biggest fan Dave!!!! They don't prevent it, as well you know. Like a lot of small tracks, you need the skill to turn a bike and then you get good fair racing. Newcastle has produced too many top riders to deserve what you are implying. The difference in those cases is in the words 'block off every run around the boards from gates 3 and 4'. Auty was trying to ride into people and being unsafe. Several riders had a go at him, did riders have a go at Robbo. Probably the difference is that Robbo is a safe, tenacious rider who is fair to other riders, A riders rider. On the other hand Auty..... How come if they ride the same style, that Robbo is not held in the same way as Auty. Still Nicki's biggest fan and a lover of his determined style. People go to watch him and pay to see him. A bit like Robbo. Edited April 21, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Certainly in one race Auty was just about zigzagging down the straights to fend of lindgren... That's not speedway man, be hard yes, but also be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 It's the old chestnut in speedway: "My" rider is a hard but fair racer. "Your" rider is dirty and dangerous. T'was ever thus. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 i was not there but i do watch the updates but it does beg the question why is there more falls or crashes at newcastle than any other track in the uk,check all the previous updates for yourself and newcastle comes out on top,whats the reason does the place live up to its name of rough park or is there another reason? A lot of riders these days are brought up on open the throttle tracks . It's takes skill to ride at Newcastle ask The master himself Ivan Mauger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Lots of use of the word tight,Small, lack of room Not one mention of the more fitting words s h xt ,little,hole and pokey!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Lots of use of the word tight,Small, lack of room Not one mention of the more fitting words s h xt ,little,hole and pokey!! Doesn't do you any favours that montie, even with a smiley after it. The incident you should be commenting on is the dangerous actions of one of your guys. Edited April 21, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Bit Like Rosen on Friday then eh??? its racing and it happens Dont think Ryan is over zealous, kids a proper racer,shame those awfull narrow straights and tight turns prevent it really, Did you not see the brilliant Robbo at the EWR on Friday Dave,his first corners were brilliantly brutal,used ever bit of his experience to block every run around the boards from Gates 3 and 4,you could say he tried to take off any rider i guess,but id prefer to say well done Robbo,did what he had to do I thought u were Nikki P`s biggest fan Dave!!!! Hahaha!! It happened about 10 times on Friday where riders pushed someone wide leaving them a little bit a room on 1st and 2nd allowing their team mate to come through, the difference was all the riders got on with it apart from Birks who spat his dummy out and acted the tough man. Edited April 21, 2014 by Gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Jorgensen is a disgrace... What a muppet Take it you know exactly what happened then? What's this all about "The bike parking wasn't the only bit of dangerous riding by Jorgenson, don't know what he'd had for tea, raw meat?" Another keyboard warrior knowing nothing? Get in the real world, the boys on track are racing for pride & money. And before you get all high and mighty, Thomas is a fair rider, but Newcastle riders ride just as hard, but when you're racing 7 riders and super sub "the ref" you're stuffed as you're never going to beat a team of 8! Nice little touch by Robson getting extra time to warm his spare bike up by causing a classic tape jump but of course the updater blamed Josh Auty. Rose coloured spectacles springs to mind! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Take it you know exactly what happened then? What's this all about "The bike parking wasn't the only bit of dangerous riding by Jorgenson, don't know what he'd had for tea, raw meat?" Another keyboard warrior knowing nothing? Get in the real world, the boys on track are racing for pride & money. And before you get all high and mighty, Thomas is a fair rider, but Newcastle riders ride just as hard, but when you're racing 7 riders and super sub "the ref" you're stuffed as you're never going to beat a team of 8! Nice little touch by Robson getting extra time to warm his spare bike up by causing a classic tape jump but of course the updater blamed Josh Auty. Rose coloured spectacles springs to mind! yes I do, I stood and watched from about 50yards away... He parked his bike on the track and stood gesturing at the ref, he made no attempt what so ever to clear the track because he'd spat his dummy out.... Happy?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Take it you know exactly what happened then? What's this all about "The bike parking wasn't the only bit of dangerous riding by Jorgenson, don't know what he'd had for tea, raw meat?" Another keyboard warrior knowing nothing? Get in the real world, the boys on track are racing for pride & money. And before you get all high and mighty, Thomas is a fair rider, but Newcastle riders ride just as hard, but when you're racing 7 riders and super sub "the ref" you're stuffed as you're never going to beat a team of 8! Nice little touch by Robson getting extra time to warm his spare bike up by causing a classic tape jump but of course the updater blamed Josh Auty. Rose coloured spectacles springs to mind! It was Josh Auty who moved, it was as clear as day Edit:The referee actually warned all four of them so your argument is invalid. Edited April 21, 2014 by DIAMONDS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 What a surprise two biased opinions, I didn't see either of you sorting Thomas' bike out on track so it could be taken off the track, and I'm guessing your super sub warned all four as to not raise any suspicion to the nights events. Happy, me far from it, I do not have an issue with hard and far racing/proceedings, I have an issue with blatent cheating and bleating riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) What a surprise two biased opinions, I didn't see either of you sorting Thomas' bike out on track so it could be taken off the track, and I'm guessing your super sub warned all four as to not raise any suspicion to the nights events. Happy, me far from it, I do not have an issue with hard and far racing/proceedings, I have an issue with blatent cheating and bleating riders. But I do think you have major issues of denial. Firstly Thomas's bike slowed to a halt, he got off it and proceeded to undress and gesticulate. As the bike was still capable of freewheeling why would home fans need to also go on the track and try to move or mend an opponents OK bike. Very strange. What they could have done of course was to do what his mechanic did, and that was pull the clutch lever in and run with the bike back to the pits, Simples. As to 'super sub', are you on something, suggesting he only declared all 4 back as to not raise suspicions. Man, you need help. I can , however, share a concern with your last point, as that is what was the major concern of those present last night. Obviously those who stayed at home in Scunny would disagree. Edited April 21, 2014 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 What a surprise two biased opinions, I didn't see either of you sorting Thomas' bike out on track so it could be taken off the track, and I'm guessing your super sub warned all four as to not raise any suspicion to the nights events. Happy, me far from it, I do not have an issue with hard and far racing/proceedings, I have an issue with blatent cheating and bleating riders. I'm sorry but how are you even daring to say that we are the cheaters after what Jorgensen did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 What a surprise two biased opinions, I didn't see either of you sorting Thomas' bike out on track so it could be taken off the track, and I'm guessing your super sub warned all four as to not raise any suspicion to the nights events. Happy, me far from it, I do not have an issue with hard and far racing/proceedings, I have an issue with blatent cheating and bleating riders.you want to keep off the glue bonny lad/lass...one thing I'm not is biased... I say it how it is!!What meeting were you at?? What he did was diobolical, now if you condone that then you're as bad as him!! As for his bike I'm pretty sure it was pushed from the track... He dismounted and parked it in the middle of the track ffs and stood in the middle of the track like a baby gesticulating to the ref, then applauded sarcastically to the ref after his next exclusion for taking rose straight to the fence, not just pushing him wide but straight to the fence!! What about when douglas was the cause of the stoppages in both heats 4 and 8 yet was allowed back in the re run by the super sub.,,, what about auty taking Kerr out but the super sub letting it go... What about auty zig zagging to keep lindgren at bay etc etc?? Sounds like you have a few sour grapes causing you problems as the biased drivel is coming from you!! Btw, if you're not happy, which dwarf are you?? Jog on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambo71 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I have known Thomas Jorgensen since he rode for Wolves in 2012. A more honest and upright young man I have yet to meet.Having socialised with him on many occasions I feel I know him better than most of the people on this forum. following the meeting on the update site my initial response to my wife about heat 10 was " that's not like Thomas there is more to this than parking his bike to cause problems" Having read his account on his website I have to believe his version knowing him as well as I do.In my opinion the person who is not getting any criticism is the referee.His job is to keep an eye open for any rider who drops out of the race for any reason to make sure he clears the track. This he failed to do in spite of Thomas gesticulating to attract his attention. He then compounded this mistake by handing down a fine to the rider hoping to mask the fact that his mistake was the cause of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) I have known Thomas Jorgensen since he rode for Wolves in 2012. A more honest and upright young man I have yet to meet.Having socialised with him on many occasions I feel I know him better than most of the people on this forum. following the meeting on the update site my initial response to my wife about heat 10 was " that's not like Thomas there is more to this than parking his bike to cause problems" Having read his account on his website I have to believe his version knowing him as well as I do.In my opinion the person who is not getting any criticism is the referee.His job is to keep an eye open for any rider who drops out of the race for any reason to make sure he clears the track. This he failed to do in spite of Thomas gesticulating to attract his attention. He then compounded this mistake by handing down a fine to the rider hoping to mask the fact that his mistake was the cause of the problem. What was Jorgensen stopping and parking his bike anything to do with the referee? The referee put the red lights on but after what Jorgensen done with the bike. Edit: I have to agree though I think the referee was bad FOR BOTH SIDES! Edited April 21, 2014 by DIAMONDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 At what point did the ref put the red lights on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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