ProudtobeaBrummie Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Get off the blokes back you people who slag him off just come out every time he scores poorly .... Loved watching the bloke in the league last year yes wasn't brilliant but always rides hard and makes for a good spectacle. Is he good enough for gp ? Probably not but he's there so support him there's even people running woffy down now saying he's blown it and he's rubbish I find it staggering the criticism the british riders get.... And on the back of that people wonder why the wonder kid lambert doesn't want to ride for gb this thread explains maybe why he doesn't want to.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I agree with that although he was World number 6 in 2010. Riders can all of a sudden find the right set up and be international class, look at Smolinski for example. Harris does have the talent but his set up hasnt been right for a few years now. Also reading the speedway star I found it interesting that he was in the EL top 20 averages, boosted by bonus points though. Though that is poss. an indication of the currant state of the Elite League in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Chris is struggling and it's no surprise! But I cant wait for Cardiff and I'm glad I've got '3' riders to cheers for (wild card included) ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I love watching Bomber when he's on form in the EL, but he's had a succession of knowledgeable people 'helping' in his GP pitcrew - Norrie Allan, Rosco, Phil Morris and probably others - but something is clearly not working!! Don't know what the answer is?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I also dunno the answer but I hope he finds it soon it breaks my heart to see him failing to put in decent scores we all know what Chris is capable of, I for one support him in the GP's who would he is a brit of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The power generated by the engine is only one component of the bike setup. A rider who can get his whole bike set up well and make starts can win races on a standard engine from the manufacturer. On a standard motor at GP level??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 On a standard motor at GP level??? I think so yes and there are a whole host of reasons why. I remember once having a professional rider asking me what clutch springs and plates I used because my bike was so much faster off the start than theirs - had to tell them the springs were 5 years old and the plates standard Jawa that had been in all season. You should have seen the look on their face! There is a lot of keeping up with the Joneses which doesn't necessarily mean you are any quicker on the track - the rider themselves make a huge difference. Again, examples in the past of top riders using someone else's bike and still winning, despite that bike being pretty much 'out of the box' and getting a lower BHP figure on the dyno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundinfan Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Personally i cannot see the inclusion of Phil Morris into the Bomber camp has had any positive benefit whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 He needs to change his GP number to -273. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Get off the blokes back you people who slag him off just come out every time he scores poorly .... Loved watching the bloke in the league last year yes wasn't brilliant but always rides hard and makes for a good spectacle. Is he good enough for gp ? Probably not but he's there so support him there's even people running woffy down now saying he's blown it and he's rubbish I find it staggering the criticism the british riders get.... And on the back of that people wonder why the wonder kid lambert doesn't want to ride for gb this thread explains maybe why he doesn't want to.... At the end of the day your only as good as your last race like it or not.If comments on a forum some based on what fans are watching upsets a rider he is in the wrong sport IMO.He should show the fans what he is earning, then we know who has the last laugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Get off the blokes back you people who slag him off just come out every time he scores poorly .... Loved watching the bloke in the league last year yes wasn't brilliant but always rides hard and makes for a good spectacle. Is he good enough for gp ? Probably not but he's there so support him there's even people running woffy down now saying he's blown it and he's rubbish I find it staggering the criticism the british riders get.... And on the back of that people wonder why the wonder kid lambert doesn't want to ride for gb this thread explains maybe why he doesn't want to.... Oh get over yourself, the people you claim that are on his back are probably the ones paying money at the gate to watch. If his performances aren't up to scratch then IMO they are more than entitled the voice their opinions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remembertheracers Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 When he rides well Harris, like all riders is praised, often to the hilt. Equally when he is embarrassing people comment and the general speedway press are very fair compared to many sports. At the moment Harris has scored two points from two GP's; Jason Bunyan has 2 from one. That says it all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 At the moment Harris has scored two points from two GP's; Jason Bunyan has 2 from one. That says it all. ...and Bunyan had a broken rib. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think so yes and there are a whole host of reasons why. I remember once having a professional rider asking me what clutch springs and plates I used because my bike was so much faster off the start than theirs - had to tell them the springs were 5 years old and the plates standard Jawa that had been in all season. You should have seen the look on their face! There is a lot of keeping up with the Joneses which doesn't necessarily mean you are any quicker on the track - the rider themselves make a huge difference. Again, examples in the past of top riders using someone else's bike and still winning, despite that bike being pretty much 'out of the box' and getting a lower BHP figure on the dyno. Sorry but I think that's a long way from true once you get to a certain level. The top tuners aren't about making every ounce of power they can from an engine but about setting up something that works for a particular rider under certain conditions. While there's no doubt that the rest of the set up has a major influence in my opinion if KK was on a bog standard motor last Saturday night he wouldn't have scored a point. A rider might jump on somebody else's bike and do well but that will more likely be because that bike just suits the conditions better at that time. At lower levels I couldn't agree with you more about a lot of money being spent for no reason but as riders get better the difference in their ability narrows and every little advantage becomes more noticeable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Bombers last two Bees performances were decent which is what us Bees fans care about the most. Gps performances are shocking so far but I tend to think (and hope) that will improve once the series gets into the temporary tracks. He rarely does well at the bigger tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Sorry but I think that's a long way from true once you get to a certain level. The top tuners aren't about making every ounce of power they can from an engine but about setting up something that works for a particular rider under certain conditions. While there's no doubt that the rest of the set up has a major influence in my opinion if KK was on a bog standard motor last Saturday night he wouldn't have scored a point. A rider might jump on somebody else's bike and do well but that will more likely be because that bike just suits the conditions better at that time. At lower levels I couldn't agree with you more about a lot of money being spent for no reason but as riders get better the difference in their ability narrows and every little advantage becomes more noticeable. Well we can both speculate but I don't think we'll ever have the evidence to say one way or another sadly. KK's engine in Harris' bike, would he have won the GP? I'd say no. Harris' engine in KKs bike would he have won the GP? Quite possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Sorry but I think that's a long way from true once you get to a certain level. The top tuners aren't about making every ounce of power they can from an engine but about setting up something that works for a particular rider under certain conditions. While there's no doubt that the rest of the set up has a major influence in my opinion if KK was on a bog standard motor last Saturday night he wouldn't have scored a point. A rider might jump on somebody else's bike and do well but that will more likely be because that bike just suits the conditions better at that time. At lower levels I couldn't agree with you more about a lot of money being spent for no reason but as riders get better the difference in their ability narrows and every little advantage becomes more noticeable. Would KK have won on Harris's bike? Very doubtful in my opinion. Of course you need ability but like that boring F1 it's about engine performance and set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Well we can both speculate but I don't think we'll ever have the evidence to say one way or another sadly. KK's engine in Harris' bike, would he have won the GP? I'd say no. Harris' engine in KKs bike would he have won the GP? Quite possibly. Don't be ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostie Posted May 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Well I have to say that Chris Bomber Harris is still having a shocking season. It's just not good enough ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Last nights score of 8 was average expect a little more at home but other riders scores deserve more criticism than Bombers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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