SteveLyric2 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 And I doubt if you'll get any answers on this forum so there's no point in you continuing to ask for them is there? Why not seek the views of your club's promoters who are much more likely to be in a position to give you some answers at least to your queries? I personally would say that it's a question of seeing how things pan out with the new system over the next two or three months at least before the EL promoters start seriously discussing if any alterations will be necessary for next year and, if so, just what those alterations are likely to be with the nuts and bolts being put into place at the end-of-season AGM. The overall direction of the system is clear to anyone I would have thought and that is to 'Fast Track' the development of Young British riders. Finally having see 7 matches under the new system at 5 different EL tracks so far plus those on TV, I can confirm that I personally think it's great! Excellent response - couldn't have put it better myself - obviously!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Trees Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Have a look at my post #71 Just move heat 14 present heat format to heat 4 and move other heats accordingly so that no rider gets two heats on the trot. Simple even a blind man with a white stick could see. We'll see if it happens eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Have a look at my post #71 Just move heat 14 present heat format to heat 4 and move other heats accordingly so that no rider gets two heats on the trot. Simple even a blind man with a white stick could see. No rider gets 2 heats on the trot now, do they??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mdmc82 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 it does have its faults but on a positive it does seem to be keeping meetings closer with more teams also picking up away points and less tactical rides being taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capone Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 The first ride for the away number 4 is a real issue that needs adressing after this season has finished. Too late now to alter it. Reserve race wise its fine. I am certainly all for it and think we will see a few Brits emerging from this group over the next few seasons, with new youngsters replacing them. All good. I hope they continue with it. But the PL needs to step up and back the same long term plan. Some of these youngsters could do with a PL reserve team berth. thats what i have said all along...go up a division at a time....get reserves(young brits) from premier league.....do away with the elitional league we have now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Not impressed by it but if it helps some of these young lads then I suppose it's a price worth paying. As the SKY lads said last week the BSPA will probably fine tune it at the next booze up. Either that or they will dump it completely. I prefer the Swedish model with 2 protected reserve heats and pitting youngsters against heat leaders which gives the youngsters a bit of a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I for 1 do not agree with this. Riders who rode last year in elite league who should be riding this year but with this new draft it would mean there wages were halved so they loose out big time. Then it seems some riders who chose not to be on list are know getting asked to be guest riders. If you opt out of the draft list Your Out end of. Just when you think you have read and understood the rules they change to suit certain teams Some riders are struggling some are itching to ride but why should they put their rear end on a bike when they are only getting half what they got last year. This to me was brought in to save money which I am not against but for some riders it is demoralising. When there are perfectly good riders chomping at the bit to race. Sorry but I for 1 wouldn't be happy if 1 year I was getting £££ per point then the next year if I wanted the same job same risks same expense my wages would be halved. I am all for bringing on British lads but some of these lads are being used as skape goats Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I for 1 do not agree with this. Riders who rode last year in elite league who should be riding this year but with this new draft it would mean there wages were halved so they loose out big time. Then it seems some riders who chose not to be on list are know getting asked to be guest riders. If you opt out of the draft list Your Out end of. Just when you think you have read and understood the rules they change to suit certain teams Some riders are struggling some are itching to ride but why should they put their rear end on a bike when they are only getting half what they got last year. This to me was brought in to save money which I am not against but for some riders it is demoralising. When there are perfectly good riders chomping at the bit to race. Sorry but I for 1 wouldn't be happy if 1 year I was getting £££ per point then the next year if I wanted the same job same risks same expense my wages would be halved. I am all for bringing on British lads but some of these lads are being used as skape goats Just my opinion. Who did you have in mind?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Who did you have in mind??It depends on who you mean Riders who wish to ride Or riders who are finding it a little difficult to step up. A few names have been mentioned on here on both topics. Just to name one rider who I think would love to do elite is Ash Birks Last year up until his accident was doing a really good job. Always gave 100% and think still would. He is a real trier and I think a stint at reserve in elite would boost his confidence no end. I don't know if he chose not to be on the list or couldn't be on it. But he is just one of the riders who I think should be in the elite league reserves. Again just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 It depends on who you mean Riders who wish to ride Or riders who are finding it a little difficult to step up. A few names have been mentioned on here on both topics. Just to name one rider who I think would love to do elite is Ash Birks Last year up until his accident was doing a really good job. Always gave 100% and think still would. He is a real trier and I think a stint at reserve in elite would boost his confidence no end. I don't know if he chose not to be on the list or couldn't be on it. But he is just one of the riders who I think should be in the elite league reserves. Again just my opinion Ashley Birks was refused a place on the draft even though he appeared in the National Lge after certain other riders in it & was recovering from a bad injury. I could go on but have said how I feel before about him & other's who weren't allowed in it but I bore myself now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 So the averages are obviously gonna be affected as many people have stated. When do the 1st green sheets comes out? and when will the riders change riding positions? Is the Prem league at the same time or is there a difference because of the differing circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 So the averages are obviously gonna be affected as many people have stated. When do the 1st green sheets comes out? and when will the riders change riding positions? Is the Prem league at the same time or is there a difference because of the differing circumstances? The first revised list of FT riders will be effective from 1st May to 31st May, with averages presumably gained from only their EL performances. Those that have not yet ridden will presumably stay at an assessed 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The first revised list of FT riders will be effective from 1st May to 31st May, with averages presumably gained from only their EL performances. Those that have not yet ridden will presumably stay at an assessed 3 points. Phil Morris has said on twitter it won't just be their EL form that will be taken into consideration but also their form in PL, NL & Comps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Phil Morris has said on twitter it won't just be their EL form that will be taken into consideration but also their form in PL, NL & Comps Interesting! and I'm not sure totally relevant, but hey its a new format so everything is on a trial and error basis. Hopefully with not too many errors!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Interesting! and I'm not sure totally relevant, but hey its a new format so everything is on a trial and error basis. Hopefully with not too many errors!! Has to be a general form basis rather than just Elite otherwise how woukd you slot in riders such as Wright who wasnt on the original list and hasnt been riding Elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What about the knock on effects of the third heat leaders who have a much tougher time now. I can see the likes of uk based riders like Harris Nicholls king watt etc having averages which allow them to double up in the PL thus raising the standard and expense even higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What about the knock on effects of the third heat leaders who have a much tougher time now. I can see the likes of uk based riders like Harris Nicholls king watt etc having averages which allow them to double up in the PL thus raising the standard and expense even higher. This is a very good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 This is a very good point It's not, and actually irrelevant - even if Harris, King or whoever could end up with PL convertable averages, then if they are unaffordable then no one with any sense will sign them anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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