Whats The Thoughts On The New Format After The First Month

[BWitcher]

I can see big changes to next years format as it is clealy not working. The reserve races are terrible, a few good races from them but most times it is just a strung out race as should have been expected, with the levels of the riders.

Not sure how some of them even made it. They should of at least been riding in the PL for a couple of seasons before this format was decided on.

To much to soon for them.

Looking at the racing at Wolverhamton tonight. Quite a few good races but far to many race with riders half a lap or more behind.

Lets see what 2015 brings.

 

Clearly you were watching a different meeting to the rest of the world if you are attempting to use tonights meetings as evidence that it 'isn't working'.

 

'Far too many races with riders half a lap or more behind' you claim. I would say bar the race where Nielsen fell and remounted at NO POINT in the entire meeting was a rider half a lap behind, let alone 'more'.

[NJC71]

Only a couple of meetings but personally I think they've both been good, tonight was excellent. The good thing about the new format is that it is bringing riders of a similar level together more often. The old format paired top riders against PL double-up riders too often, in this format the heats look far better balanced and the racing seems to be much better as a result.

 

If the likes of King, Harris, Cook, Barker etc are struggling because they have harder races then that's no bad thing. Their averages were probably inflated under the old format. The bottom line is it will ask serious questions of them and if they are good enough they will adapt and improve. Yes it may need some tweaking and some thought on end of season averages etc but so far I think the benefits far outway the negatives. For once I think the BSPA might have got this one right.

[Crazy robin]

Only a couple of meetings but personally I think they've both been good, tonight was excellent. The good thing about the new format is that it is bringing riders of a similar level together more often. The old format paired top riders against PL double-up riders too often, in this format the heats look far better balanced and the racing seems to be much better as a result.

 

If the likes of King, Harris, Cook, Barker etc are struggling because they have harder races then that's no bad thing. Their averages were probably inflated under the old format. The bottom line is it will ask serious questions of them and if they are good enough they will adapt and improve. Yes it may need some tweaking and some thought on end of season averages etc but so far I think the benefits far outway the negatives. For once I think the BSPA might have got this one right.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of what's going to happen this season as a rider like Palm-Toft might go from a 3 to a 6 point average due to winning his 2 easier rides & as I see it can be replaced by a 6 point man from last season.

 

Can't see how that is fair but no plans of yet to deal with it.

[g13webb]

As with all of my posts recently I expect them to be ridicule by you, as if you take personal pride in doing so. To me it just show you up for what you are.

 

Where on earth has it been stated that Birmingham's plight is due to the reserves???

If you were to read all the post I had written, you would realise it was a generalisation remark made about the thoughts of the draft system. The part made about blaming Birmingham's plight on the draft riders was taken from posts on this forum, just opinions of people in general. But as shown before, anything you disagree with then we have to take the high road. But these opinion hold as much depth as yours.

 

As far as next season is concerned, lets at least get through all the 'A' fixtures first!! The BSPA clearly can't win with this one - if they did announce the format for 2015 without the experience of this season, then they would undoubtedly have been soundly criticised anyway!! And probably have to change it again!!

I've been about far longer than yourself and have always recognised the everything in life needs direction. All sports are the same. There is a structure path in place for all sports, but you say that is wrong. I like the new draft system and want it to flourish. I want to know if its a one year wonder, and I'm sure the riders and promoters do as well. You might like to walk about with your head up you a--e, not worrying about next year, but don't try and tell me that's right.

 

I would imagine that the team building limit next year will be increased - both for the 1-5 and for the 2 reserves - but why do we need to know that now? It won't make the slightest difference to attracting more or less people - fans or sponsors..

This is the problem that wants to be eradicated. Where you are now guessing, what you THINK might happen, all this information should be known. Ok the system can always be tweaked yearly, but without this structured approach to the future, it will just barely exist..

 

The successful teams will have more of both, the unsuccessful ones won't!!

That line don't need a response, it clearly shows your narrow mentality, thinking only of yourself

 

[semion]

On this draft business, if a 2nd group reserve rider is injured does he the guest have to also come from the 2nd group of Could he come from the first group ? I thought I saw that Perry ( first group pick ?) guested for Jacobs ( 2nd group pick ?).

[Bryn]

On this draft business, if a 2nd group reserve rider is injured does he the guest have to also come from the 2nd group of Could he come from the first group ? I thought I saw that Perry ( first group pick ?) guested for Jacobs ( 2nd group pick ?)

Go to the latest EL team declarations and averages (issue 4) on the speedwayGB website at: http://www.speedwaygb.co/ and scroll down to the second page i.e. the Fast Track Riders Grade List. System regarding guest replacements is fully explained thereon.

[SCB]

I'm still waiting for an explanation of what's going to happen this season as a rider like Palm-Toft might go from a 3 to a 6 point average due to winning his 2 easier rides & as I see it can be replaced by a 6 point man from last season.

 

Can't see how that is fair but no plans of yet to deal with it.

Thats my issue. Milik must be averaging 6+ too - They can bring in a "real" 6 pointer for him in a months time, who can average 8 and they can bring in KK for the play-offs.

 

For Milik/Poole see Palm-Toft/BV or Howarth/Coventry, even Lambert/Lynn

[Bagpuss]

I've said from the start there has to be some sort of weighting on second strings' averages otherwise as SCB says its going to be a fiddling paradise.

[Crazy robin]

I've said from the start there has to be some sort of weighting on second strings' averages otherwise as SCB says its going to be a fiddling paradise.

Well a month into the season & still nothing is being said & the rider merry go round has already started with Nicolai being released by Swindon.

[SteveLyric2]

Thats my issue. Milik must be averaging 6+ too - They can bring in a "real" 6 pointer for him in a months time, who can average 8 and they can bring in KK for the play-offs.

 

For Milik/Poole see Palm-Toft/BV or Howarth/Coventry, even Lambert/Lynn

The only thing Milik is averaging 6+ for is his number of Fx's!!!!!

 

Incidentally I note Eastie's Michelsen is due to become a heatleader from this Friday, which will mean Woodward or Kylmakorpi dropping to secondstring - and 'cleaning up' in theory!!??

 

As with all of my posts recently I expect them to be ridicule by you, as if you take personal pride in doing so. To me it just show you up for what you are.

 

Where on earth has it been stated that Birmingham's plight is due to the reserves???

If you were to read all the post I had written, you would realise it was a generalisation remark made about the thoughts of the draft system. The part made about blaming Birmingham's plight on the draft riders was taken from posts on this forum, just opinions of people in general. But as shown before, anything you disagree with then we have to take the high road. But these opinion hold as much depth as yours.

 

As far as next season is concerned, lets at least get through all the 'A' fixtures first!! The BSPA clearly can't win with this one - if they did announce the format for 2015 without the experience of this season, then they would undoubtedly have been soundly criticised anyway!! And probably have to change it again!!

I've been about far longer than yourself and have always recognised the everything in life needs direction. All sports are the same. There is a structure path in place for all sports, but you say that is wrong. I like the new draft system and want it to flourish. I want to know if its a one year wonder, and I'm sure the riders and promoters do as well. You might like to walk about with your head up you a--e, not worrying about next year, but don't try and tell me that's right.

 

I would imagine that the team building limit next year will be increased - both for the 1-5 and for the 2 reserves - but why do we need to know that now? It won't make the slightest difference to attracting more or less people - fans or sponsors..

This is the problem that wants to be eradicated. Where you are now guessing, what you THINK might happen, all this information should be known. Ok the system can always be tweaked yearly, but without this structured approach to the future, it will just barely exist..

 

The successful teams will have more of both, the unsuccessful ones won't!!

That line don't need a response, it clearly shows your narrow mentality, thinking only of yourself

 

Oooh are you really that old????

 

You clearly don't like that anyone can have a different opinion to your own?!

 

Speedway is a sport governed by rider averages and team points limits - rightly or wrongly - and as such there will always be changes made each season!!! The sport has introduced something new and different this year - not to everyone's liking - and you are advocating that decisions should be made now for next year, with only a few meetings having taken place. I personally think that is as ludicrous as not restricting the draft to just one PL/NL rider per team for this year as a starting point and re-evaluating it after a season!

 

But you are entitled to disagree - as you clearly do!!

[semion]

Go to the latest EL team declarations and averages (issue 4) on the speedwayGB website at: http://www.speedwaygb.co/ and scroll down to the second page i.e. the Fast Track Riders Grade List. System regarding guest replacements is fully explained thereon.

Fanks Bryn, you Know everything you do Bryn

[g13webb]

Your doing it again, Not reading what was written, and jumping to conclusion. I said DIRECTIONS should be known of the path, the sport is going to take, in regards to this new DRAFT system. You mentioned the sport is governed by riders averages and scores, yet you are quite satisfied on the erratic value of how these averages are attained.

 

All I have ever asked for is, what's going to become of averages in relation to this draft system. I 've been told the draft riders will not have a average this year but nothing has been said about the varying degrees of difficulty in relation to easier races, in respect of 2nd strings and Heat-leaders and future replacements

 

I pointed these issues out back in November of last year, but now into the new season and still we have no answers.

[SteveLyric2]

I have no idea what changes there might be next year in Premier League football or F1 or Super League Rugby or Sky Netball or Premier League Darts, and don't know whether the participants in those sports do either??

 

I shall still watch when I want to as will many others in large numbers!!

[Trees]

Your doing it again, Not reading what was written, and jumping to conclusion. I said DIRECTIONS should be known of the path, the sport is going to take, in regards to this new DRAFT system. You mentioned the sport is governed by riders averages and scores, yet you are quite satisfied on the erratic value of how these averages are attained.

 

All I have ever asked for is, what's going to become of averages in relation to this draft system. I 've been told the draft riders will not have a average this year but nothing has been said about the varying degrees of difficulty in relation to easier races, in respect of 2nd strings and Heat-leaders and future replacements

 

I pointed these issues out back in November of last year, but now into the new season and still we have no answers.

 

Won't draft riders who are good enough to get into main team just go in on a 3 pt average?

[semion]

Kings Lynn already have a 3 point rider in their Team. All a team has to do is get the rider to pull out of the draft System, as Buster did with Lambert.

[Bryn]

Your doing it again, Not reading what was written, and jumping to conclusion. I said DIRECTIONS should be known of the path, the sport is going to take, in regards to this new DRAFT system. You mentioned the sport is governed by riders averages and scores, yet you are quite satisfied on the erratic value of how these averages are attained.

 

All I have ever asked for is, what's going to become of averages in relation to this draft system. I 've been told the draft riders will not have a average this year but nothing has been said about the varying degrees of difficulty in relation to easier races, in respect of 2nd strings and Heat-leaders and future replacements

 

I pointed these issues out back in November of last year, but now into the new season and still we have no answers.

 

And I doubt if you'll get any answers on this forum so there's no point in you continuing to ask for them is there? Why not seek the views of your club's promoters who are much more likely to be in a position to give you some answers at least to your queries? I personally would say that it's a question of seeing how things pan out with the new system over the next two or three months at least before the EL promoters start seriously discussing if any alterations will be necessary for next year and, if so, just what those alterations are likely to be with the nuts and bolts being put into place at the end-of-season AGM. The overall direction of the system is clear to anyone I would have thought and that is to 'Fast Track' the development of Young British riders. Finally having see 7 matches under the new system at 5 different EL tracks so far plus those on TV, I can confirm that I personally think it's great!

[SCB]

The only thing Milik is averaging 6+ for is his number of Fx's!!!!!

 

Incidentally I note Eastie's Michelsen is due to become a heatleader from this Friday, which will mean Woodward or Kylmakorpi dropping to secondstring - and 'cleaning up' in theory!!??

Michelsen isnt a fiddle tho. Eastbourne are too tight and have too little ambition to fiddle. But it does highlight how "easy" it is.

[semion]

 

And I doubt if you'll get any answers on this forum so there's no point in you continuing to ask for them is there? Why not seek the views of your club's promoters who are much more likely to be in a position to give you some answers at least to your queries? I personally would say that it's a question of seeing how things pan out with the new system over the next two or three months at least before the EL promoters start seriously discussing if any alterations will be necessary for next year and, if so, just what those alterations are likely to be with the nuts and bolts being put into place at the end-of-season AGM. The overall direction of the system is clear to anyone I would have thought and that is to 'Fast Track' the development of Young British riders. Finally having see 7 matches under the new system at 5 different EL tracks so far plus those on TV, I can confirm that I personally think it's great!

Well said that man. Of course there will be some fine tuning to the system and i am sure one or 2 Promotions will find a way to squeeze every little drop out of it, shame that the Interests of the Sport cant come before personal gain.

[chris4gillian]

Other than the odd race against the oppositions second string, how are the reserve races any different to the races they have against each other week in and week out in the NL? Is this really the development we are led to believe that it is? Just saying

[Trees]

Other than the odd race against the oppositions second string, how are the reserve races any different to the races they have against each other week in and week out in the NL? Is this really the development we are led to believe that it is? Just saying

They have 4 against their opposite numbers with 2 against a 2nd string as well.

 

They say track time is the best way to develop, the draft boys have top men to watch and learn from, it's got to be good. I would think that the promoters will decide when they want to use their draft boys in their team but how long they will be able to remain as draft riders I dunno. Maybe their form/averages in all leagues will be taken into account?