Steve0 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Has anyone got a run down of what average each of the 3 point drafts are running with in the opening few weeks. There will be problems going forward with these Reserves as they will be on such false averages for next season. Why will they be on false averages? The points they score are mainly against other draft riders so the averages give a good indication of the respective strengths of the reserves. Maybe next year (assuming they don't dump draft riders) they can set an average of 12 points for the two reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Why will they be on false averages? The points they score are mainly against other draft riders so the averages give a good indication of the respective strengths of the reserves. Maybe next year (assuming they don't dump draft riders) they can set an average of 12 points for the two reserves.I would hope that the top draft riders wont be in the draft again but instead fill a second string berth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I would hope that the top draft riders wont be in the draft again but instead fill a second string berth. This should be the progression they should be working to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yikes Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Is the new format showing up the short comings in a lot of riders? Certainly the likes of Chris Harris, Ben Barker, Danny King, Edward Kennett seem to be struggling. Is this perhaps because they don't get any easy races which gives them the confidence boost? Do like the part of the rules where the reserves see each other more as makes for better races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 No as they do not earn an official green sheet average. More of an issue will be second strings such as porsing or palm toft who are likely to spend thr whole season at second string, get an inflated average and potentially make themselves unemployable for next season. Their true averages will be updated and displayed each month on the revised ranking list, along with the GSAs on the BSPA website!! As far as next season is concerned, I doubt whether teams will be required to build their 1-5s to a 32 point maximum!! As for the FT reserves, I guess that the final ranking list for this year will dictate what 'average' the reserves are for next year!!? Maybe 1 x 4+pointer and 1x 3pointer or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 As entertainment seems to be not to bad but as a serious Team Competion is is a bit lopsided regarding the Draft riders IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 One little question. If one of the draft riders is offered a guest outing in The Elite League on the same date as he has a National League meeting. Does he get the choice on which booking he wants to take ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 One little question. If one of the draft riders is offered a guest outing in The Elite League on the same date as he has a National League meeting. Does he get the choice on which booking he wants to take ? NL fixture takes priority over guest bookings. It's the same for any rider that you can't cover a guest booking when your own team are riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteveEvans Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Next years race format will be; 1 GP rider 2 PL double up 2 NL treble up 1 MDL quadruple up 1 Men In Black can barely stand up Heat 1, 5, 10 and 13 feature GP rider plus a PL rider Heats 3 and 11 feature 2 PL riders Heats 4,7,9 and 12 feature your NL riders Heats 2, 6, 8 and 14 feature your MDL and Man in Black. Clubs reported to be offering huge signing on fees to get the best man in black. BSPA hails new era and more value for money as races will now be longer. 1 pound on admission. Tacticals allowed in some races perhaps. Good Friday will award an extra league point to any team operating over 5 guests. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I reckon the rules and formats will be the death of this sport. The ever-changing ideas form one year to the next does nothing but segregate clubs and fans until there at each other throats and all we have left is arguments on what is right and wrong. All ambition and aim for the future have gone. Such is their belief that people don't really care any more what happens. The draft idea, whether rightly or wrong implemented, will be blamed for all the problems the sport is having this year. Already it has been blamed for Birmingham's poor showing, and will be associated with everything that goes wrong. Christ, I even heard 'tracks are not prepared correct for these draft riders', and 'of caused we lost the draft riders were not used to the tracks'. The list will go on.... I like the idea of having new, young, blood into the sport. I don't necessary go along the lines of draft system, because it could never be done 100% fair. There have been teams planning for the future, like the Lynn Stars and Coventry's, and it is these teams that have benefitted with having the cream of draft choices. This is not wrong for those teams, and it would have been detrimental to the riders to have done it any other way. Our sport will never prosper, because the 'powers at B' deem it not necessary to plan ahead. We are but a few weeks into this new season and not one person knows of the format or direction that will be used next year. That fact is outrageous. How are we going to attract new Fans, new Sponsors, or new clubs when the future is shouldered in mystery This year all teams are split into 3 groups, each have a different chance of achieving a creditable CMA. What happens when the groups score inter swine with each other. Such lack of forethought has gone onto the system. What happens next year? All the riders who don't ride in the Elite 2014 will be have higher CMA's than those that does ride. Who will want them and their high scores? What will happen to the top 'Draft Riders' on ridiculous high scores, Will they be classed as Heat leaders.??? This post was not meant as a moan, purely highlighting the problems that exist with draft riders in our sport. Why can't the rules be streamlined and set in stone for the future, so every team, sponsor, and supporter will have the same ideas enabling the sport to move forward and prosper in the years ahead...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I like the idea of having new, young, blood into the sport. I don't necessary go along the lines of draft system, because it could never be done 100% fair. There have been teams planning for the future, like the Lynn Stars and Coventry's, and it is these teams that have benefitted with having the cream of draft choices. This is not wrong for those teams, and it would have been detrimental to the riders to have done it any other way. . How do you work that out ? after certain clubs have taken the best picks even before the draft had started Cov went and picked Jason Garrity rather than one there own assets . The bottom line is teams will only pick there assets if they are the best riders to fit into there side 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I quite like the fact there's no hiding place/comfort blanket for 1, 3 & 5, which is why we're seeing some really low scores by some. The format does present difficulties though for riders in certain positions which is of more concern as an away rider - gaps of five races before another ride can make the next ride more of a challenge e.g. away no.1 or no.3 (if in Ht15). The problem of mismatched reserves is that an 8 point margin will be gained in many meetings - difficult to make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I reckon the rules and formats will be the death of this sport. The ever-changing ideas form one year to the next does nothing but segregate clubs and fans until there at each other throats and all we have left is arguments on what is right and wrong. All ambition and aim for the future have gone. Such is their belief that people don't really care any more what happens. The draft idea, whether rightly or wrong implemented, will be blamed for all the problems the sport is having this year. Already it has been blamed for Birmingham's poor showing, and will be associated with everything that goes wrong. Christ, I even heard 'tracks are not prepared correct for these draft riders', and 'of caused we lost the draft riders were not used to the tracks'. The list will go on.... I like the idea of having new, young, blood into the sport. I don't necessary go along the lines of draft system, because it could never be done 100% fair. There have been teams planning for the future, like the Lynn Stars and Coventry's, and it is these teams that have benefitted with having the cream of draft choices. This is not wrong for those teams, and it would have been detrimental to the riders to have done it any other way. Our sport will never prosper, because the 'powers at B' deem it not necessary to plan ahead. We are but a few weeks into this new season and not one person knows of the format or direction that will be used next year. That fact is outrageous. How are we going to attract new Fans, new Sponsors, or new clubs when the future is shouldered in mystery This year all teams are split into 3 groups, each have a different chance of achieving a creditable CMA. What happens when the groups score inter swine with each other. Such lack of forethought has gone onto the system. What happens next year? All the riders who don't ride in the Elite 2014 will be have higher CMA's than those that does ride. Who will want them and their high scores? What will happen to the top 'Draft Riders' on ridiculous high scores, Will they be classed as Heat leaders.??? This post was not meant as a moan, purely highlighting the problems that exist with draft riders in our sport. Why can't the rules be streamlined and set in stone for the future, so every team, sponsor, and supporter will have the same ideas enabling the sport to move forward and prosper in the years ahead...... Where on earth has it been stated that Birmingham's plight is due to the reserves??? As far as next season is concerned, lets at least get through all the 'A' fixtures first!! The BSPA clearly can't win with this one - if they did announce the format for 2015 without the experience of this season, then they would undoubtedly have been soundly criticised anyway!! And probably have to change it again!! I would imagine that the team building limit next year will be increased - both for the 1-5 and for the 2 reserves - but why do we need to know that now? It won't make the slightest difference to attracting more or less people - fans or sponsors.. The successful teams will have more of both, the unsuccessful ones won't!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Is the new format showing up the short comings in a lot of riders? Certainly the likes of Chris Harris, Ben Barker, Danny King, Edward Kennett seem to be struggling. Is this perhaps because they don't get any easy races which gives them the confidence boost? Do like the part of the rules where the reserves see each other more as makes for better races. Well if they struggle this year, then their averages will make them very marketable for the number 2 or 4 berth next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well if they struggle this year, then their averages will make them very marketable for the number 2 or 4 berth next season. Was discussion this with my dad yesterday. The riders 5th in their teams averages, due to rolling averages and easier rides are going to end up with up inflated averages. While some of the 2nd and 3rd heatleaders in teams (like at Birmingham) could be laughing next season. Barker on 4 or Michael Palm Toft on 5? Harris on 6 or Niklas Porsing on a 6? Howarth on 8 or King on 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejigger Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The new format appears to working much to the disappointment of those who criticized it at the beginning of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The least the BSPA could do for the 2nd set of EL fixtures is revise the race format so the away number 4 has a race sooner in the meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Where on earth has it been stated that Birmingham's plight is due to the reserves??? There crap and get beaten by the riders on the other side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can see big changes to next years format as it is clealy not working. The reserve races are terrible, a few good races from them but most times it is just a strung out race as should have been expected, with the levels of the riders. Not sure how some of them even made it. They should of at least been riding in the PL for a couple of seasons before this format was decided on. To much to soon for them. Looking at the racing at Wolverhamton tonight. Quite a few good races but far to many race with riders half a lap or more behind. Lets see what 2015 brings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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