Whats The Thoughts On The New Format After The First Month

[Steve0]

It's all shi garbage

[orion]

The idea was not bad ...but the moment Poole were able to get first pick thou they were champions it meant that yet again rules self interest had come above what was good for the sport . If you going have a draft then it's got to be done fair, the moment you allowed teams to used there own assets then any fairness go's right out of the window ...Some of the racing at Swindon has been shocking with one rider each corner such is the gap in class also this Friday Swindon are left with Greenwood and Compton to take on a pl second string .

 

The rule and format could have been good but as normal they made a total hash of it .

Edited April 15, 2014 by orion

[SteveLyric2]

The idea was not bad ...but the moment Poole were able to get first pick thou they were champions it meant that yet again rules self interest had come above what was good for the sport . If you going have a draft then it's got to be done fair, the moment you allowed teams to used there own assets then any fairness go's right out of the window ...Some of the racing at Swindon has been shocking with one rider each corner such is the gap in class also this Friday Swindon are left with Greenwood and Compton to take on a pl second string .

 

The rule and format could have been good but as normal they made a total hash of it .

That would be first and last pick then wouldn't it??!!

 

But back to the format, its been pretty good for me so far. There's still the odd processional race - not always involving the reserves - but there was in previous formats too!!!

 

For what its worth both Havvy and Middlo said in interview last night that it needed 'tweaking a little' for next year to try and get over the number 4 rider issues!!

Edited April 15, 2014 by Skidder1

[thecoombdog]

Got no problem at all with the race format. Better riders meet more often. Who wouldnt want that.

 

But the draft is pure gash. The fact so many love it is the very reason promoters will keep watering down the product. People come back regardless. I bet they are all laughing that they are getting away with it as well. They offer more and more sh1te every year but people are so stupid they buy everything they say about bringing on the brits etc. its absolute bollox. It was bought in to save money. Thats the only reason. But people believe the spiel and will keep paying 17 quid so christ knows what we will have next year. Probably 4 NL riders instead and a price freeze on admission.

 

If it was really to bring on the Brits then the top 10 picks would have been riders like Birks/Roynon/Howarth/Kerr/Newman etc. Next 10 riders like Stevie Worrall who has looked good at our place. Thats the sort of riders it would benefit and pretty sure no one would complain about that system.

Edited April 15, 2014 by thecoombdog

[E I Addio]

Got no problem at all with the race format. Better riders meet more often. Who wouldnt want that.

 

But the draft is pure gash. The fact so many love it is the very reason promoters will keep watering down the product. People come back regardless. I bet they are all laughing that they are getting away with it as well. They offer more and more sh1te every year but people are so stupid they buy everything they say about bringing on the brits etc. its absolute bollox. It was bought in to save money. Thats the only reason. But people believe the spiel and will keep paying 17 quid so christ knows what we will have next year. Probably 4 NL riders instead and a price freeze on admission.

 

If it was really to bring on the Brits then the top 10 picks would have been riders like Birks/Roynon/Howarth/Kerr/Newman etc. Next 10 riders like Stevie Worrall who has looked good at our place. Thats the sort of riders it would benefit and pretty sure no one would complain about that system.

 

 

Nobody has ever denied the fact that it was designed to save money. Arguably it requires fine tuning and orion is right about some of the selection process, but if you go to this time last year the thing most fans were complaining about was not enough meetings and long gaps of sometimes 3-4 weeks between home meetings. The bottom line is we now get more regular home meetings and each team meets all the others twice instead of meeting some twice and others once. The new format has therefore addressed the main problem . Of, course it is not perfect but most would agree it is a step in the right direction. If you don't think it is an improvement on what we had last year then you are in a very small minority.

[A ORLOV]

Got no problem at all with the race format. Better riders meet more often. Who wouldnt want that.

 

But the draft is pure gash. The fact so many love it is the very reason promoters will keep watering down the product. People come back regardless. I bet they are all laughing that they are getting away with it as well. They offer more and more sh1te every year but people are so stupid they buy everything they say about bringing on the brits etc. its absolute bollox. It was bought in to save money. Thats the only reason. But people believe the spiel and will keep paying 17 quid so christ knows what we will have next year. Probably 4 NL riders instead and a price freeze on admission.

 

If it was really to bring on the Brits then the top 10 picks would have been riders like Birks/Roynon/Howarth/Kerr/Newman etc. Next 10 riders like Stevie Worrall who has looked good at our place. Thats the sort of riders it would benefit and pretty sure no one would complain about that system.

I agree that it would have been better with the riders you list and am not sure why some of them were not included unless it was difficult finding enough numbers of riders at that level.

[thecoombdog]

 

 

Nobody has ever denied the fact that it was designed to save money. Arguably it requires fine tuning and orion is right about some of the selection process, but if you go to this time last year the thing most fans were complaining about was not enough meetings and long gaps of sometimes 3-4 weeks between home meetings. The bottom line is we now get more regular home meetings and each team meets all the others twice instead of meeting some twice and others once. The new format has therefore addressed the main problem . Of, course it is not perfect but most would agree it is a step in the right direction. If you don't think it is an improvement on what we had last year then you are in a very small minority.

What has the draft got to do with riding teams twice home and away. They could have changed that regardless.

[Falcon Hammer]

What has the draft got to do with riding teams twice home and away. They could have changed that regardless.

With the draft reducing costs, teams can spread their Sky money over more meetings.

[A ORLOV]

With the draft reducing costs, teams can spread their Sky money over more meetings.

I do not think they get any sky money accept for having a home meeting.

Edited April 15, 2014 by A ORLOV

[Steve0]

With the draft reducing costs, teams can spread their Sky money over more meetings.

With less fans attending because of the use of draft riders!

[E I Addio]

What has the draft got to do with riding teams twice home and away. They could have changed that regardless.

 

 

Work it out. The league is subsidised by the Sky money. That is a fixed sum irrespective of the number of league fixtures. Kings Lynn and Eastbourne said they could only afford 14 home league meetings on the Sky money available. The only way to increase the number of meetings on the same amount of subsidy is to is to cut the cost per meeting. Not difficult to work out.

[Grachan]

I've not looked at the new format properly, but one thing that struck me watching on Monday was that in some races you had a really strong Poole pair against a weaker Coventry pair. then, in the following race there was a weaker Poole pair against a stronger Coventry pair. so you had a Poole 5-1 banker followed by a Coventry 1-5 banker. That seemed a little out of balance.

 

The draft rider thing seems ok in principle, but having these guys riding in all 3 leagues makes it a bit of a farce because the format makes reserve points vital yet teams will be missing key reserves a lot. Maybe long term, though, it will encourage teams to sign up British juniors as their own assets so it could end up positively as long as the system is stuck with for a long period of time.

 

I think having youngsters at reserve is a good thing. It's reserves, after all. And better than the glory days so many people hark back to, when you used to get fat old baldy guys down at reserve.

[Crazy robin]

Got no problem at all with the race format. Better riders meet more often. Who wouldnt want that.

 

But the draft is pure gash. The fact so many love it is the very reason promoters will keep watering down the product. People come back regardless. I bet they are all laughing that they are getting away with it as well. They offer more and more sh1te every year but people are so stupid they buy everything they say about bringing on the brits etc. its absolute bollox. It was bought in to save money. Thats the only reason. But people believe the spiel and will keep paying 17 quid so christ knows what we will have next year. Probably 4 NL riders instead and a price freeze on admission.

 

If it was really to bring on the Brits then the top 10 picks would have been riders like Birks/Roynon/Howarth/Kerr/Newman etc. Next 10 riders like Stevie Worrall who has looked good at our place. Thats the sort of riders it would benefit and pretty sure no one would complain about that system.

 

What a top post & dead right bout how the reserves should've been done as why were Birks, Auty & Roynon left out but Garrity & Newman ok.

[E I Addio]

With less fans attending because of the use of draft riders!

 

You don't know if less fans are attending and won't know that until we see the pattern over a season. Swindon have been struggling with attendances for a long time hence not being able to pay their riders last year, but not all clubs are in that situation.

[Crazy robin]

I agree that it would have been better with the riders you list and am not sure why some of them were not included unless it was difficult finding enough numbers of riders at that level.

 

But it's proving hard to find riders to guest when the draft riders are missing anyway so what's the difference if Birks, Auty & Roynon were included.

 

It's not perfect or was never going to be but I really think those lads should've been included & it should've been an open draft this season & then looked into it.

 

It also should've been that both riders had to have 4 rides but could replace one of the top 5 riders rides.

[Steve0]

I think having youngsters at reserve is a good thing. It's reserves, after all. And better than the glory days so many people hark back to, when you used to get fat old baldy guys down at reserve.

That's not nice talking about Middlo like that

[orion]

 

 

Work it out. The league is subsidised by the Sky money. That is a fixed sum irrespective of the number of league fixtures. Kings Lynn and Eastbourne said they could only afford 14 home league meetings on the Sky money available. The only way to increase the number of meetings on the same amount of subsidy is to is to cut the cost per meeting. Not difficult to work out.

But we don't know if it will save money ...I thought teams were getting less sky money this year ..so based on that I don't understand why teams can now ride each other twice

Edited April 15, 2014 by orion

[Steve0]

You don't know if less fans are attending and won't know that until we see the pattern over a season. Swindon have been struggling with attendances for a long time hence not being able to pay their riders last year, but not all clubs are in that situation.

I do know that a number of fans have stopped going so unless they have managed to attract new supporters in support of the draft then that is less supporters!

[thecoombdog]

 

You don't know if less fans are attending and won't know that until we see the pattern over a season. Swindon have been struggling with attendances for a long time hence not being able to pay their riders last year, but not all clubs are in that situation.

Ive been a season ticket holder for 10 years at Swindon. This year I didnt renew due to my doubts about the draft and the quality of the product. 1 meeting and 10 heats of another have made me realise I was right. Seeing riders nearly get lapped is not my idea of entertainment. Edited April 15, 2014 by thecoombdog

[speedy bill]

just watched Poole v Coventry still dont know how Kyle Newman got on the National League draft when he did not ride in that league for the last two years also Jason Garrity he was not a National League rider last year answers please.